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MG MG Y Type - Floor Board Patterns

Back in 2014 I lent a set of full size detailed paper floor board patterns to Rob King in the UK.
Some time later he asked if he could on-lend them to Anton ???? , to which I agreed with the proviso that they were returned to me in due course.

As yet not returned to me- so if Anton, whoever you are, if you still have them, perhaps you would be so kind as to let me know where they are.
Not a problem if you are still using them, but I would like them available to lend to somebody else if required.
Keith

Keith D Herkes

Hello Keith

This is Anton Piller writing from Switzerland - I am probably the only Anton on the register.

I did receive floorboard drawings of Rob King in autumn of 1914. Either, I mis-interpreted robs mails or it slipped Robs mind to tell me that the drawings wer only borrowed and needed to be returned in due course to you.
Thus, when I finished the job, I had a request from USA and forwarded the drawings to Carl Wellenkotter who apparently tried send them back to me or succeded in doing so.

I do not recall if ever the drawings arrived back to Switzerland again, but I will contact the Swiss person who bought my second YT - maybe he had asked for and receive the templates after they had arrived back from the US...

Sorry about the inconvenience Keith. I keep you posted.
Anton

P.S: Here is Robs initial mail

Hi Anton,
These were supplied to me by Keith Herkes on the understanding that I would pass them on to whoever else needed them. I found them very useful and hope that you do too.
Would you please pass them on should anyone else have a need.
Anton Piller

Anton,
Yes of course it is you- your name slipped my memory.
It is not that I am desperate to have them back for my use, but I wanted to keep track of them, so others could use them, perhaps like William Kallafut on the 'Floor Board' thread, which incidentally jogged my memory.

I seem to remember that I had marked all the holes, recesses and position of the cork packing etc, so would be very helpful to anybody without a pattern.

Just let me know if you track then down so I can keep a note of who has them.
Regards.
Keith
Keith D Herkes

Keith

I receivd an answer today from Michael Graf (my Swiss mate) that he still got the templates. His YT is is not quite ready yet to rceive new floor boards, but he has the patterns.
If anybody needs them before Michael gets around doing them, he will make copies of the patterns and let the new guy have your originals.

Octagonally, Anton


Anton Piller

If the patterns ever pass this way, I will draw them up in CAD and load them as PDF's on the website so they will never be lost and available forever !.

Would that be OK with you Keith ?.

Cheers

Tony
The Classic Workshop
A L SLATTERY

Great outcome, and good idea Tony.
More important, where on earth do I get a pair of those doggy goggles, Anton?? I have a large rescue greyhound who would look so cool in a pair.
Yours, John,
.
J P Hall

Keith

If its OK with you, I will get back the patterns and air mail them to Tony Slattery, to be CAD drawn.

Please lets have your nod :o)

Anton
Anton Piller


John

Glad you like the goggles. These are not especially made for dogs but came from a Techno Music Raver/Freak :o)

I bought them at some jumble sale....

cheers
Anton

Anton Piller

Good one, Anton - one of my sons is a techno musico in his spare time and will be playing in Berlin early ‘20, so I’ll get him to (no pun intended) sniff around. Sorry Keith - back to you!
It will serve many of us in the long run to have those drawings in cad form ... self included if I can’t resurrect my originals shortly.
John.
J P Hall

Fantastic doggy pic------
William Revit

Hi Anton.
Thanks for tracing the floor board patterns and thank you Tony for offering to CAD them( is that a verb?)
Yes Anton, if you don't mind sending them to Tony, then the whole Y Type community can share in this information in the future.

What a great bunch the worldwide Y Typers are.
Keith
PS sorry for delayed response, but I fell off a ladder the other day and made a mess of my arms- safer being under a car, so long as it is on stands.
Keith D Herkes


Gentlemen

I will "retrieve" the patters in due time and forward them to Tony at OZ. At present we'v got two of our Grandsons with us, until August 1st. Lots of MG driving, motorboat driving and swimming in the lake. We still have a heat wave in Switzerland (38°C).

Thank you all for the compliments regarding goggled Natasha - our dog.

Anton
YT 4220

Anton Piller


Dear all

The Patterns left for Tony Slattery today. International Post Office does not accept good old cardboard rolls for shipping anymore.....

Anton, Switzerland

Anton Piller

Just back from 5 days away at a Pre-War MG Rally and no mail from Switzerland as yet !.

Cheers

Tony
A L SLATTERY

Hey Anton,
Your parcel arrived yesterday, so it's "back to the drawing board" for me.

Keep an eye open to the News pages on the IMGYTR for the eventual drawings there.

Cheers & Thank You

Tony Slattery
East Coast Australia Rep
IMGYTR
A L SLATTERY


Tony
Thanks for letting me know. I man sure this will be helpfull to quite a lot of Y owners.
Anton
Anton Piller

Good to know that my patterns will soon be available to the wider MG Y Type community thanks to Tony's proposed work on them.

Tony, just to finish off this tread in due course, would you be so kind as to post a "completion note" here on the BBS.
Keith
Keith D Herkes

Hi Tony,
Did you get around to sorting out those floor-board patterns so they are available to the Y fraternity .
Kind regards.
Keith
Keith D Herkes

Hi Keith,
I have the patterns from Anton here. Unfortunately my CAD Software has expired, and I have been looking for the discs to re-install it without success so far.

It looks like I may have to resort to pencil & paper drafting - not done that for around 30 years.

I will get started this week.

Tony
A L SLATTERY

Hi Tony
I am one of the people who could use the floorboard drawings for the YA.
Could I ask you to confirm a couple of details for me please ?
I need the length of the rear floorboard measured along the transmission tunnel edge and the angle of the join with the front section measured from the same tunnel edge. I think I can do the rear boards with that information .For the fronts I will join the queue for the patterns please.

Many thanks in anticipation John B
J K Bowman

I have taken off all of the boards, all are ok
so i can make easy a pattern.
I also could make a real 3d Drawing with freecad
but my time is in themoment nearly 0
so it will take some time to do it.

Take a picture of each part from each time
take the measurment and make a freecad drawing
FT Franz

Here is the initial drawing of the RHS floor outline. A mirror image of this pattern should also fit the LHS.

There are more details to come - apologies for the quality, but all my good drafting gear is no longer functional.

I suggest you mark out this pattern in cardboard and trial fit to your own car before cutting any plywood.
There can be variations from car to car over the years of production.

All mounting holes need to be transferred from your own car body to the floor due to variations during production.

More details on this drawing and other floor drawings to follow in the next day or so.

Cheers

Tony


A L SLATTERY

That's brilliant Tony . Thank you very much indeed for taking the time to do it. Between that and the drawings on the Let There Be Ys cd it should work a treat.
Cheers John B
J K Bowman

Drawing for centre lines for the seat rails - almost parallel to propshaft tunnel.

A L SLATTERY

I have added the Kick Board Strip to the drawing from yesterday. The rear edge of the carpet fits into that rebate in the strip.

Tomorrow I will detail the underside of this panel - there are a few cutouts.

A L SLATTERY

Hi Tony et al, would you still like full size CAD versions of your drawings? My family are all CAD Draughtsmen/women so it would not be a problem, in fact I have already sown the seed with son Luke who said all he needs are sketches with dimensions. I will see him tomorrow on our local Cecil Kimber Run so will print off your drawings and show him. Fortunately is fully conversant with Y and TD floorboards so he will not be flying blind!
Cheers
Richard Prior
R A Prior

Hi All, thanks to Tony and Anton for all this. As it is, I had completed my floorboards by using 3mm fibre board mockups. I also had access to some original boards to work with.

But I would like to reinforce Tony's advice about checking that the pattern is a good fit for the car.

My boards aren't symmetrical from each side, between 6~8 mm difference. side to side.


In ignorance I also put my floor slides parallel to the transmission tunnel, though I think they are staying that way.

regards all, KGM
K G Mills

K G

YXou atre more than welcome. glad the whole thing is taking off and getting into shape.

Anton
Anton Piller

Hi Tony,
I assume Richard hasnt had chance to sort the drawings of the Y type floorboards yet .
Is there any chance of you doing a quick drawing of the cut outs under the rear floorboards please and i could also use the dimensions for the front floorboards if you can ?
Many thanks for your help so far
John B
J K Bowman

Hi All
I was just wondering if anyone had made any progress on the drawings for the Y type floorboards ?
I could really use a drawing of the YA front with measurements .

Regards John B
J K Bowman

I will provide more sketches today. Stay safe people !.
A L SLATTERY

Thanks a lot Tony that would be great. Plus the cut out details under the rears please . Its all down to this ruddy virus ,have been self isolating .....in the garage!Making good progress with the restoration , lucky me. i know lot of folks suffering badly right now. Stay well folks .
Regards John B
J K Bowman

Sorry folks, Windows 7 crashed on my PC yesterday and I am still struggling to find my way around Windows 10 and find all my files and passwords. Having to reload so much software.

I have also lost 25 years of emails from Y-Typers around the world because Windows 10 will not read the old version emails - what a scam Microsoft !.

Not happy

Tony
A L SLATTERY

Tony
Now thats bad news Tony, what lousy luck , sorry i cant be of any help with that one . John B
J K Bowman

Ok, back in action - sort of.

I should be mowing the lawn today, but will do some sketches first.

Thanks for your patience.

Tony
A L SLATTERY

Just re-posting the last drawing, as I noticed a fault in the detail for the kick panel support.

Underfloor cutouts next.

Cheers

Tony

A L SLATTERY

Here is the sketch for the underside of the rear floor panels.

The long cutouts for the wiring to the door pillar is obviously not required for YT's, however I do believe they were built with them. So there were no YT floor panels - YA/YB & YT were all the same.

You should reverse the layout for the left side floor.

Always make a cardboard pattern first ti check your car fits these dimensions - there can be variations.

Cheers

Tony

A L SLATTERY

Tony
Great stuff thanks a lot. Hope your computer is nearing normality- my laptop chose last night to lock up its a right pain in the thing!
Good point about cardboard patterns mine varyin width by 5mms thought i could even them up by adjusting the central support rails but it was not to be .Thanks again .
Cheers John B
J K Bowman


Gentlemen

To round off the floor board story, please see photos of the "under felts" and seat mountings of my R/H drive YT

Anton




Anton Piller

Tony,

I have a set of unmolested floor panels that came with my car. They are a little brittle and have delaminated at the lap joint and edges, but otherwise are complete. On the underside of the rear panels there is a rectangle of 1/8" hardboard tacked to the underside.

Do you have any idea what that is there for? The replacement floor has no such detail.

.. CR
CR Tyrell

Hello CR, Can you post a photo of that hardboard. I do recall seeing this - I think it aligns with the chassis rail ?.

Cheers

Tony
A L SLATTERY

Well with my CAD back in operations, and being in Wuhan Lockdown, I thought I would have a go at the RHD front floor panel.

There is an amazing amount of dimensioning and detail - there will be a second drawing to clearly show the underside setout and rebates.

Please send me your feedback on these dimensions, and I will adjust the drawings before they are loaded to the IMGYTR Website.

Cheers

Tony

A L SLATTERY

And the underside drawing.

Cheers

Tony
View PDF:
A L SLATTERY

Tony
Bloody hell mate i didnt think there was that much to it!
Incredible detail thank you very much for the time and effort you put into it all.
Regards John B
J K Bowman

Cheers John B,
I appreciate your gratitude, as there are a lot of hours in producing drawings like these. I am using the patterns supplied by Anton (originally done by Keith Herkes), as well as cardboard patterns I had her from Bill Spall, so they are an amalgam of both sources.

There is more detail to come. There are a couple more holes required and the details for the T-Nuts, but at least you can make a start on the cardboard patterns.
I believe there should be packing between the floor boards and the chassis rails too. I have seen strips of cork, plywood and hardwood under old floors.

If you notice anything that is missed or does not fit I would appreciate your feedback, so I can amend the drawings.

In the end we should have a good set of plans for owners in the future on the International MG Y-Type Register Website.

HappY DaYs

Tony
A L SLATTERY

Tony
There is a felt strip along the inner floorboard rails,which i think most people change for rubber when they rebuild . With my original floorboards i think i remember a piece of something , i thought leather ,tacked to the underneath roughly in the middle in line with a chassis rail.
I have heard there was nothing under the floorboards at the outer edge from new . Dont know if that was true.
It seems with all the welding that has gone on it may be a bit of suck it and see when fitting the boards back in.
John B
J K Bowman

You could use rubber, but closed cell foam is better to seal the gaps - you can buy it in rolls from the hardware store for sealing gaps around doors.

I have also used "dampcourse" in the past between the body lip and floorboards, but it does not seal as well as the closed cell foam.

Felt is not advised as it retains moisture.

I am working on the third and fourth drawings in the front floor set - so much detail in this panel.

Attached are the latest versions of drawings A & B.

Cheers

Tony




A L SLATTERY

And the latest version of Drawing C. The last drawing will detail all the fasteners required.

Cheers

Tony

A L SLATTERY

Tony,

Sent you pictures of underside of floorboards.

... CR
CR Tyrell

Update 15/4/2020

I have located an original drivers front floor panel in rather good condition.

There are some small variations between this floor and the patterns I had been working from, so I am revising the drawings to get it all correct.

Sorry for the delay.

Tony
A L SLATTERY

The Drivers Front Floor drawings have been sent to Dave Lawrence for final checking.

In the meanwhile, I have updated the drawing for the Brake Fluid Cover Plate - attached as a PDF that you can hopefully print full size to use as a marking out/cutting template.

Thanks to everyone for your patience.

Cheers

Tony
View PDF:
A L SLATTERY

Here is the 4th Drawing making the full set. The earlier drawings A, B & C have been revised and will be available soon on the IMGYTR webpage.

Safety Fast in these Viral times,

Tony
View PDF:
A L SLATTERY

Tony,
Fantastic job! Solved one of my head scratchers for securing the carpet on the inboard edge. I thought it may have used an snap fastener - or two.

Thanks.

... CR
CR Tyrell

Tony Slattery has provided the final official drawings for the RIGHT HAND FRONT floor board for a RIGHT HAND DRIVE Y, YT and YB to the FLOOR BOARD page. Other drawings will follow for the other floor boards. This is a not inconsiderable undertaking and Tony will be (and already has been) hard at work to make this happen. Thank you Tony!

See http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/floorboard.shtml
Paul Barrow

It's time I finished off all the drawings for the floor panels.

Can anyone give me any feedback on the drawings I have done so far - are the dimensions ok ? - any details missed ?.

Safety Fast in Covid Times

Tony Slattery
The Classic Workshop
(Down Under Operations for IMGYTR)
A L SLATTERY

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