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MG MG Y Type - MG Y / MORRIS SER E DOORS

This may be a help to owners rebuilding a barn find!!as you may know although the y uses a modifiyed e body the e rear doors cannot be used without serious modification they will not fit on the y body at all, The front e doors will fit on the y body but the window winder is 4" out of position, it would appear that the e inner door pressing is slightly different to the y pressing ( see photo)you would have two choices move the winder or relocate hole for winder in the y door card, there is also a very slight difference in the opening for the door location pin in the door edge at the front.somewhere on the site are pictures of Y and E doors the difference perhaps this picture could be added to them.
John UMG624


JC Jebb

closer picture of doors

JC Jebb

John, and others - for a further illustration of John's point see http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/sistercars.shtml.

Paul
Paul Barrow

hi all,
another fact about these doors which i find puzzling is the cheapo series E had plywood door cards and the much dearer Y used cheap millboard.
John UMG624
JC Jebb

hi john, i must appologise, awhile ago i told someone the front doors are identical on a y type to morris 8 series e.i must stop quoting what others have told me and only quote my own experiences as a fact!sorry, graham
Graham Sharpe

G'day John,

My experience is different to yours - my Y's front doors were quite rusty so I replaced them with Series E doors. Apart from the cappings, I found them to be the same. I didn't have to relocate the window winder or alter the cable/chain mechanism in any way. Perhaps Morris changed their design at some point in the model's run?

I have just measured my door (originally from a Morris 8 - the door handle shaft and window winder handle shaft are 12" apart, like your Y's door(and like the one shown in the MGY workshop manual).

If I can work out how to upload a picture I will. My friend has a Morris 8, so next time I see that, I will check the position of his window winder.

Another little Morris mystery!

Neil
N Wakeman

Picture of Morris 8 door fitted to MGY
N Wakeman

Hi Neil,
Here's a thought for you, maybe the e owner had rusty front doors and replaced them with y doors!!??
John UMG624
JC Jebb

Yes John, anything could be possible but this definitely wasn't what happened in my case.

My front doors started off life as a Morris doors, I had to re-drill them to fit the wood trims around the windows (Morris 8s have bakelite trims) but I didn't have to change anything else, like the pulleys and cable inside the doors.

A friend has an original one-owner 1946 Series E and his window winders are 12 " from his door handle, same as the MGY's.

I can only assume that, at some time in the Morris 8's model life, Morris changed the window winder position to avoid the driver and passenger having to scrabble around near his/her ankles to adjust the window.

I am attending the National Morris Rally in Warrnambool Victoria over Easter so will check out as many Morris 8s as I can to see if there are, in fact, two different alternatives.

Neil

N Wakeman

Just back from the National Morris rally - there were only four Morris Series E saloons there (quite a few roadsters though) Two of the saloons were 4 door models and both had their window winders and door handles 12" apart like the Y. The other two cars were 2 door models, and their window winders were 8" apart. Their doors are much wider of course so couldn't be fitted to a Y.

Not sure what, if anything that proves - but I'd suggest that there's probably two different versions of the E doors, some with 8" separation and some with 12".
N Wakeman

There was some criticism during the production of the Y and YB that the front door handles were too low down and too far forward as mentioned in a couple of contemporary articles. No doubt the position of the front doors was inherited from the Morris 8E /Wolseley 8 body used on the Y. It may possibly be that the door owned by John Jebb is a one off modification by a previous owner but as to its origin who knows? I seem to recall John Lawson doing some research on the shape and construction of the Morris 8E and Y doors and it may be in an old Classic Y newsletter but I'm not sure really.
D MULLEN

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