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August must read article on two YTs restored by Mike Brown.what excellent standard of tourers he has.
R E Knight

A great magazine to subscribe to and the article will be on Reprinted Articles in the future!

Paul
Paul Barrow

They are both superb having had the opportunity to see them flrst hand. I haven't seen the article, though I was aware that one had been written but in which publication? It may have mentioned that Mike is selling the red YT.

Thanks for the info Richard. Back to replacing both front brake cylinders and taking the opportunity to fitting new hoses which have probably been on the car for years!

Lovely weather in this part of the UK for a change. Have fun Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

MG Enthusiast magazine, August edition Jerry. Yes, mentions red car is for sale at £39,000.
This car was for sale from Michael Ware in Norwich, back few years ago, body was painted all red, but he did not have original XPAG engine, the car according to Michael Ware, came from Singapore, and looked good during its partial restoration, before Mike Brown has finished it off.

I like the fact these cars are appreciating in value too.

On slightly different note I hope to get 4 YTs this Tuesday at my local Winchester club run, will be unusual for so many to be present together at owners club meeting, will post photo if it comes off.

Richard
R E Knight

I did indeed buy the red car from Michael Ware but as you will see from the picture posted on the MGCC Owners Gallery it was in fact very incomplete and a lot of the work done was incorrect e.g. MGB dampers fitted to the front suspension, Midget dampers fitted to the rear suspension to name but two, I think this was done before Michael had the vehicle, he bought as part of a job lot of vehicles/parts from a retired restorer who's name I do not know. Everything else that did come in the boxes along with the body tub and the chassis was far from complete or from a YB which in some instances was ok but in others had to be remanufactured.

The car came with the original screen glass (all the frame parts were loose) and the date code ties up with the year of manufacture for the car. On the screen glass when I unpacked it had a tax "disk" ( It is in fact rectangular) dated 1982 from Hong Kong and an AA Hong Kong badge stuck to the screen. I have the disk and the AA badge is still in place. The registration number on the "disk" is from 1957, but there is some evidence that the registration sequence may have been used a early as 1950 which would tie in with the car going to Hong Kong as its original destination, but who really knows, where the Singapore connection comes from I don't know, I think there is more evidence to support Hong Kong than Singapore.

" Finished it off" is not how I would describe the restoration, it was far a far bigger job than was envisaged by me or probably by any previous owner as these things often are! but the final result has been worth all the effort, nearly 2 year of work and if I had not had YT 4162 to refer to for parts manufacture I don't think it would ever have been completed to the standard authenticity it now has.

I have however enjoyed all the work and I think the end result was worth the effort.

Mike




M R Brown

You have to see Mike's car at first hand to appreciate just how high the quality is and his workmanship and patience in getting it right is beyond belief. The one slight faault if you want to be pedantic is that the wheels should be a sequioa cream finish as Mike is aware. However, considering all the wheels had been stove enameled before Mike acquired the car I can understand his reluctance to go down that route and he is aware of it! I would say that it is the best restoration of any Y that has been seen publically in the UK and all accolades are richly deserved! Very well done Mike.
Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

Mike / Jerry,

As per my original post "what excellent standard of tourers he has"

Mike, apologise if reference to "Finished it off" caused offence by the way you interpreted my remark, it was intended to simply say you finished a car that was at good standard, but still had loads to do I appreciate that as the car was in essence a well painted tub when it was for sale by Michael Ware, so I can fully appreciate the time effort you've gone to so well done, with getting the upholstery and other bits right. Like you rightly say a pattern to hand always goes a long way.

Jerry, maybe they should be cream colour but at least the car retains the original wheels not gone down fitting the wire route, that would have been a shame in my view, but each to their own I guess.

Richard
R E Knight

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-Y-Type-Tourer-YT-A-Rare-Fully-Restored-1949-Classic-/252478794742?hash=item3ac8e8abf6:g:iPkAAOSwbsBXjUzU

R E Knight

Richard
Thank you for posting the ebay link. I have copied the images to my HD to help me with my restoration.

I just wish there was a Y website similar to Dave Braun's TD15470 restoration which contains around 1000 odd detailed photos of his pull down and restoration, to help with MG Y restorations.

Stuart
Stuart Duncan

I looked at the ebay listing for this car and studied all the attached photos and the only thing I can say is that this restoration is breathtaking. Well done Mike and I wish my YT looked this good.

Regards

Terry
t j staines

Terry, you hit the nail on the head the car looks superb. I do prefer that colour of red too. Let's hope both Mike's YTs appear at Y Spring run Event be good to see them there amongst all the other superb Ys around these days.
R E Knight

Just in case anybody's interested, I noticed that Mike has relisted the YT on ebay. The more I look the more I yearn for this car but there are 39,000 reasons stopping me

Regards
Terry
Terry Staines

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1949-MG-Y-Type-Roadster-Restored-to-highest-possible-Concours-standard-/302100017922?hash=item4656907302:g:x-MAAOSw8w1X-JLz

R E Knight

I noticed that the ex Mike Brown YT for sale at Kult Kars of Lytham st Annes has now been sold.
If the seller achieved the advertised price (or near) at £42,995 this must set a new bar for the price of a YT which was obviously concours.
The last YT I saw for sale fresh from restoration was priced at £35,000. The classic car guides seem to be way behind the ball game in respect of the prices of these cars as the Hagerty price guide lists a condition 1 car as just over 27,000 dollars.
Although my car is certainly not concours I am starting to wonder if it is under insured.
What do other members think of the current sales value of the cars? Is it a good or bad thing that values seem to be on the up. I have mixed thoughts. How soon will it be before the cars come to the attention of 'investors' and end up being hidden away waiting until the next auction for a quick profit.

Regards

Terry
Terry Staines

Terry wrote: "The last YT I saw for sale fresh from restoration was priced at £35,000. The classic car guides seem to be way behind the ball game in respect of the prices of these cars as the Hagerty price guide lists a condition 1 car as just over 27,000 dollars."

YT's for sale seem a bit thin on the ground but in the Classic Cars for Sale there's four saloons ranging from £2500 for a non runner, £9500 for a so called 'good' model up to £17000 for an excellent condition. There's also YB1 which probably dates this sales entry. I couldn't find a date.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/mg/y+type
R Taylor

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C803609

LHD version for tidy price in France.
R E Knight

I suppose you will all be purchasing drive in plastic bags and filling them with dry air, rather like the MMM lot, and going to shows on a trailer. Bryan
B Mellem

Bryan,
LOL..that's the danger with cars prices hiking upwards.
I use YB regularly all year, the YT I only hope to use, when voodoo curse leaves the car or I leave it.
R E Knight

Don’t forget Terry that these prices are asking prices. Interesting point about insurance values and I do wonder just how many of use increase our valuations each year.

I have used Hagerty for several years and I have experienced just how good they are when I had a breakdown in Yorkshire returning back from the European Event of the Year in Scotland, The head gasket and a bit more went but we managed to limp into our hotel south of Sheffield. The following day I phoned Hagerty and advised then what the problem was, called out a recovery vehicle and Jo and I and the car were taken home. There was no increase in the Annual Premium.

They allow you to self certify the value of the car up to £30k (beyond that it may be more searching), subject to returning a set of pictures and a form confirming the condition of the car, all self certification and very straightforward.

The number of drivers allowed is in excess of the standard 3-5. So my wife, three daughters and their husbands and a friend plus myself are included: A total of 9 drivers.

Above all they KNOW the models of the various marquees which in itself is a rarity.

So definitely check your valuation with your insurers on an annual basis. My YT is valued at £25k and is in good condition i.e: no faults, any repairs completed to a high standard, car in full working order. I too watch the prices and subject to the value of similar cars will adjust the price accordingly.

Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

I have found most classic car insurers are not willing to insure me being over 70 ans One company who advertises in the SF needed their arm twisted to do so, yet I have not had a claim against me in 60 years and never had even a speeding fine, as for my health I can still run a half marathon. Now I'm over 80 presumably I will be forced off the road, anyone want a YA

Bryan
B Mellem

Bryan

Very sorry to hear that you are having issues with insurance coverage.

Have you tried Hagerty Insurance at all? If not, may I urge you to do so? They can be contacted by clicking on the Hagerty UK advert from the news page of the International MG Y Type Register, or via the MG Y Type Shopping Mall http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/vendors.shtml.

Please remember to specify when you contact them that you are a member of the International MG Y Type Register and I would hope that they will be happy to help you. If you find that they are not, then please take a note of the name of the person who you are dealing with and a call reference number, and contact me directly for assistance.

Sincerely

Paul
Paul Barrow

Bryan wrote: "I have found most classic car insurers are not willing to insure me being over 70 ans."

That's shocking Bryan, do take Paul's advice, remember you are the customer. A couple of anecdotes, just to reassure you. There was a rather heartwarming story about a bus driver that time forgot in our local paper, he was 78. He only did the school run but nevertheless, he had to be insured. And when I ran the former Lynx Parcel depot at Eastleigh, I inherited two HGV drivers who job shared the nightly trunk to Nuneaton. These two men were in their mid seventies. We used to tease them that it took longer to climb up into the cab, than the drive to Nuneaton. But again, they had to be insured, it was never a problem.

And for what it's worth, I have turned seventy, my insurance for the YB is £111. That covers a total loss of £21500, it also covers my wife to drive and there's no mileage stipulation. Too old at 80 indeed, you're just getting into your stride.
R Taylor

Paul is absolutely correct.

I have used Hagerty for 4 years, before that I was with Footman James until their rates went up.

In my earlier post I mentioned the reason why. Unfortunately, many of the so called Classic Car Insurance Companies have a very poor customer care policy. Although Hagerty were prepared to insure my MGF along with the YT and the A I was limited to 3000 miles and the premium was I thought a tad high. Their thinking was that the F did not fit into their Classic Car understanding, which is fair enough. I then went to Lancaster who initially quoted me £210 with only my wife and I driving. I had explained that I was a member of the MG Owners Club, and Lancaster is their recommended insurers. They came back with a lower quote of £148 the following day but still restricted the number of drivers. I went on line, through compare.com and found that the RAC would insure my wife and I and our daughters on a 5k mileage for £150, so I went with them.

I too am 70 and had no trouble with getting insurance Hagerty and their price for the YT (Valued at £25k) and the TC (Valued at £30k) was £254 with nine additional drivers on each car and both with a 3000 mile limit.

I don’t know who you are insured with Bryan and I would suggest that you do contact Hagerty (though quite how Paul manages to get away with the reference to IMGYR as a Club is no doubt due to clever marketing!)
If Hagerty can’t help, which I would be very surprised at, them try Classic line (01455 639000) or Peter James and Stewart Miller (0121 506 6040) both of whom advertise in the Bulletin (the MG Octagon Mag).

Any quality classic car insurance company will provide a good service and meet your needs. If you have always used a conventional car insurance company, they will find someone and then load the premium accordingly.

So don’t give up and I am sure that you will have success. I presume that you are still able to insure your modern, even if you are 80. My father in-law who died last week at the age of 95 bought himself a new Vauxhall Viva in April but when his insurance company came back with a quote in excess of 1k, we went on line and found that for a limited mileage of 3k, LV could offer him fully comprehensive insurance at £450 pa! (And he was someone who in my view ought not to have been driving!) Moreover, as you have quite obviously had your licence renewed by DVLA then you have to ask whether the companies that you approached have any knowledge of the cars you drive and your perfect record!

All the best and certainly you will beat the buggers!

All the best
Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

Footman James were the most difficult although they claim to specialise in classic car insurance, I wonder if they have any idea who drives classics, its just ageism. I sent them a picture of me finishing the Stratford half marathon with a challenge to the management to run with me next year - no one replied. Bryan
B Mellem

I insured through Footman James until I heard about Hagerty.
Hagerty were simpler with agreeing the valuation rather than a request to Octagon club to review my view of the cars value.

I also like idea of two cars on one policy.

Richard
R E Knight

Jerry,

Picking up on your comment “I don’t know who you are insured with Bryan and I would suggest that you do contact Hagerty (though quite how Paul manages to get away with the reference to IMGYR as a Club is no doubt due to clever marketing!)”

Paul never talked about a club but he did talk about being a member of the IMGYTR community. A fraternal organization is not the same as a CLUB, and what is your definition of a ‘club’ anyway?
Isn’t a club just a group of people with a common interest? You don’t have to charge a fee to be a CLUB. The Mother’s Union doesn’t charge a fee, but they are a club. Same with the WI I believe too but you can check that out if you want to.

Cheers

Richard
R E Knight

Today's weekly "Classic Car Buyer" covers MGs in their Price Guide for private sales. Notably the YT price is in red as it has been up-rated. Condition 1. First class well cared for. Not concours (for which prices are higher) is up to £28000. Condition 2. Good condition, with MOT and on the road. May require tlc. £16000. Condition 3. In need of work usually major. £9000. Well above TDs that start at £22500. YAs and YBs start at £1800. This is well in line with recent advertised prices and would suggest that owners are not being too optimistic with their advertised prices.
Peter
Peter Vielvoye

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