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MG MG Y Type - Y7707 ???

Hi All,
Other than a fake plate is there any way that the number Y7707 could be genuine??
i have asked twice and the same number comes back, i thought there was only 6129Ys (YAs)and 1299 YBs built,
John YB0362
JC Jebb

Hi John

According to current records we believe there were 6,118 YAs and 917 YTs made (these numbers are always subject to change as new information comes forward) for an absolute total of 7,035 chassis. With a start number of Y 0251 this means the last Y chassis would be Y 7285.

There were 1,301 YBs made from YB 0251 to YB 1551. This number is not open to debate as I personally bought the copies of the original factory ledgers made by Dick Knudson and own the rights to them from him.

Was there a Y 7707? Simply the answer is no. So I have to ask, where have you asked the question twice please?

Very best wishes

Paul Barrow

International MG Y Type Register - Webmaster and Registrar.
Paul Barrow

Hi Paul,
The owners of the car, on the second asking i asked was it at the top of the top plate on the battery box and was told yes that is the number there.So i am presuming it's a fake plate for some reason which eludes me
John 0362
JC Jebb

Just a thought, but, is the plate clear or could the first or second number be a 2,
John Y4895
J Foster

John Jebb

Can you please email me a photo of the plate so I can take a look at it? Please use the email address above and send a couple taken at different angles please.

Thanks

Paul
Paul Barrow

John
Also if possible get a photo of the outside of the front left bumperbar support/dumb iron, where the car/chassis number is stamped into the metal.
Stuart
Stuart Duncan

I think you're referring to Y 7077 which has recently been added to the register and which I came across at show in N.Ireland .
I think the owner made contact to get some door seal and perhaps John is having problems with the Irish dialect !!
E Winters

Bulleye EW,"Hi John.
Yes the number is Y7707," this is copied and pasted from the email the owner sent me, no irish diaect there and i've not been at the wiskey,and anyway Y7077 is still not a starter. the highest number can only be starting with a 6### not a 7. I rest my case!!
John 0362
JC Jebb

Having examined the production records some time ago, I agree with Paul Barrow (although I do not understand the 'own the rights to them')
The last Y (YA + YT) was 7285, with engine XPAG/SC2/17106 installed on the 19 Nov 1951 - although engines with higher numbers had been installed in earlier cars.
The first YB was 0251, with engine XPAG/SC2/17131 installed on the 21 Nov 1951 - although engines with lower numbers were installed in later cars.
The last YB was 1551, with engine XPAG/SC2/18449 installed on the 23 July 1953, and recorded as sold 'chassis only'. However, engines with higher numbers had been installed in earlier cars, the highest being XPAG/SC2/18456 in YB 1549 earlier the same day.
Thus Y7707 is a puzzle - a photo might work wonders !
R A WILSON

Should have said, the early Y (YA + YT) production records are missing, so we do not know which car had which engine, although the first car must have been Y 0251. However, the first Y engine was XPAG/SC/10001, but as far as I can determine, we do not know which car had this engine.
R A WILSON

If the chassis/car number count for the Y included YTs,i did not realize this why was not the YB chassis numbers carried on from the last Y/YT production after all Y/YT and YB chassis are identical other than a few minor mods??. As far as getting to the bottom fo the 7707/7077?? contact with the owner appears to be quite dificult but will keep at it.
John YB0362
JC Jebb

The YB chassis frame may have been similar to the Y type frame, but the YB had the T type hypoid back axle (unfortunately not retaining the Y panhard rod), 15" wheels and twin leading brake shoes at the front, plus a front anti-roll bar. Thus MG probably decided to highlight the improvements by calling it the YB and restart the numbering sequence.
R A WILSON

We have a 7207 in Northern Ireland suggest the stamp isn't clear on the second digit.
Peter
Peter Vielvoye

R A Wilson - please excuse the formality of the address, but to respond to your statement of "(although I do not understand the 'own the rights to them')" I will explain.

Prior to the closure of Abingdon Dick Knudson spent a while in the archives and obtained copies of what MG Y shop ledgers he could find. For several years these have been copied to some extent or another. After I met with Dick and talked to him about them he expressed to me that he had no further interest in retaining these and I personally paid him and bought them from him. While previously he had the rights to them (since the originals were never seen again) I now have the rights and they belong to me. Does that answer the question for you?

Best wishes

Paul
Paul Barrow

Oh dear, we have a puzzle. The Y type production records, except the lost early years, are with the MG Car Club, who also have the T type records. I examined them some years ago, so I know they are, or were, there, and they are a source of interesting information.
Also puzzled by Peter Vielvoye's Y7207 - I assume it is not the same as John Jebb's Y7707. (I realise the cars are not theirs).
R A WILSON

Should have said, the available Y type records start at Y7124, so if there were any earlier records, they would be very interesting.
R A WILSON

R A Wilson, you are priviledged if you have "examined them", as any requests to the MG Car Club Y Register will be simply rejected if you ask for any data not connected to your car, from my own experience, as I've said before they will happily ask for data and help in compiling their data but will refuse to provide data, before this is refuted, I politely request for known information on the cars known to the register to be openly published in similar fashion to that as published on the MG International Y Type Register, I won't hold my breath in this being done though.

My simple advice is withold data to the MG Car Club Y register until they change this outdated policy of hiding behind data protection (My own view, and yes, we live in a country of free speech before I'm shot down in flames)

If the International Y Type Register can lawfully show data on known cars as found on their site then why can't the MG Car Club Y Register? After all they are claiming to want to promote and help owners are they not? Look at their Around Britain Relay pages!

This post is not intended to cause upset to those on the MGCC Y Register who may feel they give up freely of their time to help owners with events etc, but to point out a simple fact that you as an owner are asked to help their organisation when registering your car, to help compile data for their register and when you ask for data it's like getting blood out of a stone, with a reply along the lines of "we can't give out data because of Data Protection that old chestnut!" This is my long held view on this subject and opinion is my own and I will happily debate if you feel I'm wrong!
R E Knight

SOLVED!!!The car is 7077 read wrong by the owner
John YB0362
JC Jebb

Hi John ,
That's what I suggested some time ago .
Y7077 is a new find by myself and the owner is now finding out about the Y heritage and simply made that mistake .
E Winters

7077 here is a picture of a rather nice car
John YB0362

JC Jebb

I have just thought, as Y7077 is in Ireland, is the colour emerald green ?
R A WILSON

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