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MG MG Y Type - YT 3 YT FOR SALE

I am sure that a number of you will have seen the YT for sale on Barry Walker's MG Website. This is not a model that Barry oftens sells and he had hoped to bring it to MG Live last weekend. The weather was awful and understandably he choose not to bring it along.

I live not too far from his premises near Stratford on Avon and had a look at the car. It was one that made a brief appearance at The 60th Anniversary Dinner of the Y and Spring Weekend held at Charlecote Park in 2007. It it is a high quality restoration and was inported from the US. Painted ivory with maroon trim it is in fine order, The rear flashers are let into the wings as was often the requirement for a number of US States. The only fault hat I could identify was that TD overiders had been fitted.

It is expsnsive at £35k, though this may be negotiable, and for someone who is intereseted in a high quality (though older) restored YT it is worth a visit.

I have no commercial connection or financial interest in the car.
Jerry Birkbeck

Jerry, the price includes the value of the number plate, a number like YT3 is probably worth around £10K these days. I know it is part of the car, but you have to consider these things. If you buy an MG with a MGnnnn registration number that will add £2K to £3K to the value of the car. In the UK private number plates are in demand and it's big business.
Regards, Brian
Brian Rainbow

Good point Brian and since the car is an import the number allocated has no historic interest. Hence the purchaser could sell the plate and apply to DVLA for an age related number.
So at potentially £25k a very good buy!
Jerry Birkbeck

Other minor inaccuracies. The original screen-mounted rear view mirror has been replaced by a scuttle mounted one. Interesting but non-standard gear knob. Colour of the central instrument panel seems incorrect & the spotlamp may not be an FT57. Not sure what it mounted on the RHS of the dashboard.
Bob Simpson

Bob,

You'll also note the speedometer is on drivers side and normally on L/N/S and the some of the dials such as petrol gauge are in different slot compared to workshop manual. Minor points but still something that should be in right place for £35k.

Richard
R E Knight

The YT for sale in Classic Car Weekly would seem a far more realistic proposition. looks good for under £20,000. Location Hampshire I think Richard.
Peter
P W Vielvoye

Peter,

Dave Ivins white YA converted to YT is for sale in Hampshire, not quite true, YT hence price being slightly lower.
Richard
R E Knight

Sorry right car YT wrong location its in Northampton found it on classic cars for sale as well.
Peter
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/search/type-motors/subtype-classic+cars/make-mg/model-yt
P W Vielvoye

I am a bit confused by 3 YT advert. IT says only 9 others on the road. is that true? Also says "matching nos. ". What does this mean? My car has the original registration number, chassis number and factory fitted engine number. This car appears to have a later registration number '3 YT', a Y saloon chassis number Y 1977 October 1948, an engine XPAG 12765 April 1949. So what are the matching numbers, just the ones held by DVLA?
M C Bath

Peter,

You are correct Eastleigh is in Hampshire and the car used to belong to Dave Ivins, and is two roads from where I live, I was going to buy it until David Pelham helped along with MG Octagon Club putting me in touch for more info about the car's history and it not being an original YT.

Mick,

Interesting points you raise.

The title is poorly written, but refers to the VRM (3 YT) which would not be original if the car was export from time it was built.

Also David Pelhams MG YT Factory Production

http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/imgytr/pdf/ytlist.pdf

on page 13, shows the engine number belonging to Y/T/EXU 2819 not YT 1977 that does not appear on the list.

Interesting, this example shows what a fantastic site full of information the IMGYTR and the history that can be found on MG Y Type cars. Owners and enthusiasts should feel really proud to have the resource that the IMGYTR site offers. It can really help you out when looking to buy Y Type and the history of the car. Knowledge is power and sadly those with the knowledge are not always around to pass it on, hopefully the IMGYTR will be. Please if you know of a Y type not on the register simply log into the site and register, it is interesting database of knowledge and helpful info. In early days I was little sceptical of having such resource, but have definately been won over and reaped the benefits. I'm sure other makes/models look on in envy.

Lastly I've no links to any of the cars currently mentioned in the thread, but just satisfied customer of the tools found on the IMGYTR site.

Richard

R E Knight

Also the back of the body, just below the windows indicates this is a saloon body.
Steve Brompton

I mentioned to Barry Walker, who is selling the YT, that the information on numbers of YTs in the UK was incorrect.He was using the information provided by the owner, which presumably had never been updated. I told Barry that the present number is probably around 40 plus that are on the road. However, the figures in both the MGCC Y Register and IMGY Registers are also in all probability also not up to date.

I will be getting a list of Jack Murray's records to date in the near future. Something that can be actively pursued by the next MGCC Y Registrar - a post that we are actively seeking to fill following Jack's recent retirement.

If anyone is interested in filling this role then please do contact Chairman Peter Veilvoye.

All the best
Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

This thread is getting a bit confused talking about two separate cars as I understand ?.

One is a genuine YT and the other a converted YA Saloon.

Good YT's always fetch a higher price than YA's, but that has always been the case both here and in the UK. As the YT was an "Export Only" model, it's rarity in the UK also adds a premium.

Sadly, this has led to quite a few YT's leaving Australia for the higher prices paid in the UK, but that's life.

Tony Slattery
Oz Rep
International MG Y-Type Register
A L SLATTERY

YT3336 is a genuine YT. For sale on Classic cars for Sale £18,950. It was in fact one of the few not to be exported. I suspect that it has not been restored to original spec from what Richard says.
Peter
P W Vielvoye

YT3336 according to Dave Ivins who restored it had MG YA body cut to specification of MG YT, so isn't actually original YT body. I looked to buy it but went elsewhere upon conversation confirming this information from Dave Ivins.

As per YT's on parade it was restored from basket case so makes sense that YA tub was used.

It is nice example but not original in my mind. It only has the one carb too

Richard
R E Knight

There is an interesting article about this car in "MG Enthusiast" magazine, April 2007. The article supports the car being an export model to the USA, detailing some of it's history over there, and then re-imported in about 1997, U.K. registered as ASJ 750 and eventually ending up in Scotland being given the registration No. 3 YT.

The article confirms the chassis no. as YT1977 and engine No. as XPAGTL12763.

If any one is interested, I'll copy the article and forward it to Paul for inclusion on the website.

Regards
Dave
D P Jones

Hi Dave,
Paul already has that story from "MG Enthusiast of April 2007" - under Reprints & Collectables, Reprinted Articles & scroll down to 2007.

There is so much information on the IMGYTR Website it is sometimes easy to miss what you are looking for.
Cheers
Tony
Oz Rep
A L SLATTERY

Now shown as sold on Barry Walkers site. Anyone know where it went, within UK or abroad?
R E Knight

That's interesting Richard. I heard in the week that at the Y Register Golden Jubilee event in 2007 which was the only time that I had ssen the YT that David Pelham and Jack Murray were asked to 'register' the car as a YT.

After a thorough examinatuon they found that although the body was from a YT the chassis was not. I understand that owner was not very happy with their assessment.

This was confirmed to me at a local natter last week.

Anyhow the car has now apparently been sold and we no doubt await to see if the new owner will be registering with either or both of the Y Registers.

Al the best
Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

Although I haven't yet seen it, I understand that a friend of mine has (surprisingly) bought this car, so it will reside in Shropshire.
He is a long standing MG owner, with 2 SA's, a TF and an F.
Never having driven a Y, I look forward to driving this one!!

Mike
M S Price

Ys are great to Drive M S Price - you will probably find yourself very surprised and very taken with these charming and under-rated MGs.

We look forward to welcoming the new owner to the International MG Y Type Register at http://www.mgytypes.org. I am sure he is aware of our site, but if not, please mention it to him and have a look around it - there is a fair amount of stuff there ... and we always seem to find more to add too!

Best wishes

Paul
Paul Barrow

Thanks Paul,

I drive the TF a fair amount, and whilst not the most spritely of cars, it does FEEL as though it's moving at a good pace (I hesitate to say quick here!).

I've only driven his SA Tourer (the other is a saloon) and that is interesting to drive - particularly if you want to go in a straight line. It is a big car too.

There is a local show in a couple of weeks that the SA, the TF and my V8 are registered for - there may be a swop for either the SA or TF so the Y can be shown off - my son will be driving my V8 (slowly!)

The owner does not have Internet, so I may get that job to do.

Mike
M S Price

Well, that is my Y type cherry lost!
Drove the YT yesterday for a few miles in and out of town.
I expected it to be very similar to the '54 TF I drive, but it wasn't. OK, the TF isn't in as good condition as the YT, but the TF is definitely a sports car and the YT isn't. Lots of bouncing, either one, two or three-up. Not as taught round the bends, but more of a cruiser - happy enough at 55mph. TF seems quicker to get up to speed, and sounds "better" with more induction noise. YT seemed wider too - not as easy to hook the elbow over the door. Certainly more comfortable.
Now looking forward to having another play soon!
Mike
M S Price

Hello Mike,
You have almost perfectly described the first driving experience of most people in a YT.

However, if your friend is prepared to make some "reversible" modifications, I can assure you the YT will then surprise you even more !.

How old are the tyres on the car ?.

cheers

Tony
A L SLATTERY

I doubt the MG Car Company ever described the YT as a sports car, which as you have noted Mike it most certainly is not. For a couple of years I owned a TA at the same time as the YT and the difference between the two is like chalk and cheese. It's taken me a few years to get used to the YT but it is a joy to drive. I sold the TA four years ago for an MGA which is probably the best classic car that I have ever had the good fortune to own. The TA in comparison took some years to get right and the mods that I undertook which included fitting a 5 speed box and VW steering utterly transformed the car. Over 35,000 miles the car was great fun and took us across Europe and the UK. Indeed I had the opportunity to drive it at Silverstone ( not round the track I would add!) and I began to wonder why I sold it but I could not afford three cars and didn't have the space for storage, although the latter is now resolved the former is most certainly not!
One aspect that I never considered with the TA and wish that I had was to fit electronic ignition. This has transformed both the YT and the MGA and is one of those conversions that can be undertaken and returned to original very easily. The other mod which quite a few Y owners have done id to fit a five gear box and this too utterly transforms the car. Tony mentioned tyres
and he is spot on here. If they are more than 7 years old they ought to be replaced in my opinion. The tread may be fine but the tyre walls may be problematic.

Just a few thoughts Mike and there are any number of Y owners who use this site who can provide you with the experiences of fitting either/or or both box and electronic ignition who can advise. I used H and H Ignition, in Birmingham and on recommendation to rebuild my distributor and fit electronic ignition and then had Peter Burgess in Alfreton, Derbyshire to set it up on his rolling road. Both providers were excellent!

Have fun!

Jerry
Jerry Birkbeck

Thanks for your commments Gentlemen.

To be honest, I couldn't tell you if the car even has cross-ply or radial tyres on it! I would say that they are certainly in better condition than the cracked, 20 odd year old Cinturato's on the TF!

I know what you mean about electronic ignition - I've recently fitted a 123 distributor to my V8, and this has brought back the crispness to the engine. I just need the time to play about with the advance curve settings - I have set it to a relatively standard curve, but my engine has been tweaked a little.

I would say that the YT will not be doing much more than about 25 miles at a stretch, and I know the owner won't be doing much to it now.

Mike

M S Price

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