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MG ZR ZS ZT Technical - Face Lifted ZEDS?
| Hi Everyone I just wanted to see if anyone has any info on the Face lifted ZEDs? From what I have seen on the other BBs it's basically a new lights and wheels job. The interiors have had been seen to as well, although there is no news about new seats (The TF IS getting them). The rest is hear say, but for what its worth:- New Suspension settings New Engine ECU programs New Paint and trim options. New Brakes. There should be some news come the end of this month. I must report that I have now had a drive in the Ford ST 170, I er well hmmm. Lets just say that it’s a VERY slow way to blow £18,000! The Terms, Pie and Humble come to mind. Mega. |
| Mega |
| Hello Mike yes the Focus seems a disappointment,but the mondeo looks like a great car on paper.do you intend test driving the ST220. Peter |
| Peter Hitchens |
| Hi Pete Sorry but i am so sick of this 306 that i don't think i can wait. I am delighted with MGR and the progress that they have made ref the TF. I know that a new form of seating is coming out for the TF, i can only hope that MGR do for the ZR/ZS what they have do for the TF! If not, well i am trouble. The only other routes i can go is either Skoda RS Turbo (Well built fast car) or Vauxhall Astra Turbo (Badly built fast car!) Or the Cooper-s (VERY long waiting list) We will have to see. Mega. |
| Mega |
| >I know that a new form of seating is coming out for the TF< The MEGA seems to have a seat fetish - do you think he runs around sniffing other peoples backsides? MRR |
| M. R. Roids |
| Max Power have reviewed the ZR and they like the seats. They think that they are more comfortable than 'a night on Jordan's treasured chest'. |
| JLD |
| I have my copy of Max P + complimentry go faster stickers!, yet to read review fully. Kelvin |
| Kelvin |
| Mega why not go for an STi or Evo? |
| David Harasym |
| Hi Dave COST! Here in dear old Blighty we get forced to pay an arm and a leg for fuel. I am thinking of a Normal 215 BHP Scobby or and please don't laugh the VW Golf with a 150 BHP "Oil burner" motor. I hear that tis very quick, i must try one soon. What i would rather have is an face lifted ZR. We will have to see. Cheers Mega. |
| Mega |
| Mega wrote: "The only other routes i can go is either Skoda RS Turbo (Well built fast car)" >> I can say that the Octavia is a stonking car. I drove a superchipped one at a recent SEAT track day (it also had a performance exhaust) which pumped out 232bhp, and looking at the video of the event, the Scoobies just couldn't shake it off. I managed 150mph down the straight and it was still pulling, the owner has seen 169.6mph on the GPS (149mph before chipped). He also let someone take it down the 0-60 run (into head wind), it ran a 6.8 seconds, not bad considering the rear brakes were smoking.....the silly fool forgot to release the hand brake.... As far as I can see there are pros and cons with both the Octavia and ZS180.....the Leon Cupra is out of it due to sloopy handling (yes, I own a Leon, and agree its handling is not the best)...heres the pros and cons. MG ZS180: Pros: Engine sound, handling, styling, grin factor. Cons: Long throttle travel, Price (if not discounted), potential KV6 problems?? Octavia 1.8T RS 180: Pros: Cheap to tune (ranging from £300 for 215bhp, upto £4000 for 310bhp, £7000+ for 450+bhp + engine rebuilt every 10k miles), handling nearly as good as ZS, driving position, brakes (312mm), price. Cons: lack of rear leg room, lack of discounts (unless buying Ex-demo), badge not to all tastes. |
| Neil Turner |
| Thanks Neil There is a chap on our estate that has a Seat, He found a rear Sturt brace made a lot of differance. Do you/ have you tried that (Skoda has one ). Mega. |
| Mega |
| << Or the Cooper-s (VERY long waiting list)>> Fine until you come to sell it, and the novelty has worn off when people realise how impractical it is. The lack of BMiniW's in the 'pool on recent visits has had me heartened....DONT SPOIL IT!!! |
| Dave |
| "There is a chap on our estate that has a Seat, He found a rear Sturt brace made a lot of differance. Do you/ have you tried that (Skoda has one )." As far as I can tell its the front shocks that are to fault, they are way underdamped. VAG's problem is that the Golf/Bora are very spongy, the Leon and Audi A3 a bit better, and strangly, the Octavia (not only the RS) being quite taught.....whos idea in VW was that, to have the expensive marques with soggy handling!!!..... Thats one reason I could put up with little niggles on MGR cars, cos they are fun to drive... My old Primera GT had standard front & rear strut braces (the rear came down the turret & across under the boot carpet), and it seemed to make a differnce, but then again it had good suspension too. For me a rear strut brace that goes straight accross is not practical, I often need to put the seats down. |
| Neil Turner |
| A few observations on some of the alternatives mentioned based on recent experience. Currently have a 96P MGF VVC (owned since new, bog standard spec) and a 130hp Golf Diesel (TDi PD 130) with optional sports suspension and 16" wheels ('cos it squeals embarrassingly round corners on the standard 15"). The Golf is similar to the new 150hp model (which comes with the suspension & wheel mods as standard) except for being slightly down on power/torque. Have also just parted company with an A3 1.8T (again, slightly down on power/torque compared with Octavia RS / Seat Leon). The Golf is refined enough, you can't really tell it's a diesel when you're moving. It feels solid, but the handling still feels a bit clumsy even with the suspension mods. Overtaking is the best part, you don't even need to cog down. It's no slouch off the line, either - it has traction control, and it needs it! Doesn't really need the 6-speed box with all that torque, but I hear it's the only 'box VW had which could handle the torque. No quality problems yet, although it's only done about 4000 miles so far. The A3 was more sure-footed than the Golf, quicker off the line but not as capable an overtaker. Didn't feel as fast as it probably was, for some reason. Also felt solid, and no real problems (glovebox didn't close properly) in 100,000 miles. Seats are a bit hard and not as comfortable as some. The MGF is better round corners than either of the above (unless it's wet). Engine is also more characterful, and it's quicker off the mark than either of the above two cars, although it hasn't quite got the same overtaking ability. Seats are fine (I'm 6' and have no problem getting comfortable). No problems so far, although only 25,000 miles covered. And the roof comes off when the weather's nice. So, which would I take if I were allowed one? Well, I'm only 40 so it would have to be the MGF - lots more character and more memorable than either of the other two. If I were older, it would probably be the Golf - but only so I could watch the boy-racers smiles disappearing as I went past them! PJD |
| Paul Daykin |
| had one of the Golf TDi's on hire a while ago - was hugely impressed, not only with the grunt of the thing, but also the consumption. E |
| Ed Clarke |
| Does anyone know when the facelifted Z's will be available? |
| Tony |
| Looks like were going off thread...but hey, at least its sensible conversation.... Paul, my Leon TDi 110 has been chipped and now gives 154bhp........so, to your question about "6 gears not needed", the 6th gear gives 35mph/1000rpm (i.e, 70mph = 2000rpm) and good motorway economy. My 5 speed box (as used in the 5speed Golf TDi) has 27.65mph/1000rpm in top (i.e, 70mph = 2400rpm). The trouble is, now its chipped it hits that usual diesel power drop off at 132mph (4750rpm). The real reason is as you said, the 5speed box is rated to 210lb/ft, that is why the 5 speed versions of the TDi 115 & 130 (europe market only) have 210lb/ft, and the 6speed versions have 229lb/ft. I also agree with the traction control being needed, unfortunatly TCS was made standard on 2001 Leon TDi's (mine is a 2000 model), and when I had the first chip fitted it gave 254lb/ft @ 1750rpm, far too much for both the gearbox and std 15" tyres to handle, thus the torque curve has been changed to give 225lb/ft slightly higher in the rev range, and 16" wheels fitted....best thing, I still get MPG well in the 40's... Another thing is difference between the TDi 115, 130 & 150. The 115 & 130 are identical apart from a few minor bits. The 150 on the other hand has lower compression ration, strengthened conrods, different Turbo and modifications to other major parts like pistons and crank. The chip available for the 150 gives 190+bhp and 300lb/ft.... I also noticed the slightly gutless feeling the 1.8T 150 gave when driving compared to a 150bhp Primera GT, I think it is down to the wide, smooth torque curve, unlike say a Montego Turbo that rushes in at 3000-odd RPM with full boost. Take a Leon/Octavia 180 out and it still feels alittle slow till you look at the speedo......:-) Again, sorry for going off the thread, but we are all MG owners after all...:-) ....oh, and sorry, don't know when face lift Zeds are out...:-( Neil |
| Neil Turner |
| MEGA, what do you think of Liverpool? Have you ever been in the Cavern Club? |
| John Hackett |
| Hi Everyone Neil, the rear brace in the seat was designed to be easy removed. I am designing one for a chap with a ZR, when complete i will try to post the pictures. John Very pleased with the way bit by bit Liverpool is coming on. We don't have very high numbers of firearm/killings per head of popuation as London. I hate the BUllsh*t club. For a start it's NOT BUILT on the same site. The Cavern was at lest 50 yards away from its present site. As a kid i remember going down and watching them fill it in! 10 Years later i was for a while a DJ at the club oppiste the site called the "Cave". Mega. |
| Mega |
| Hi Mega, do you have any ideas on prices for the strut braces for the ZR when the're finished? rob |
| rob |
| Hey Neil, is ok if I talk ZS on the Seat forum!! Kelvin MGZS180 Owner |
| Kelvin |
| Hi All Rob! Glad your still around, let me finish the R+D work on it. If His "Pete"ness likes it i will try to post a picture of it somewhere. I will need someone to give some techncal feed back on it, hmmmmm think i will ask Rog for his thoughts on the subject. Keep posting. Mega. |
| Mega |
| Oh come on Kelvin Neils post are very good if a little of subject. I found the fact that the PD 150 can go up to 190 BHP, very interesting. Please can we be a "Broad church". +++++++++++++++++ Car crash out the House/Must go! Mega. |
| Mega |
| >>"Hey Neil, is ok if I talk ZS on the Seat forum!! Kelvin MGZS180 Owner" No Probs Kelvin... I been telling Leon drivers all along that ZS handles better..:-) After all, I own a Leon, and have driven 2 ZS's, so I can comment, unlike alot of them that haven't even sat in a ZS and still refuse to believe me....:-) Mega, I'm sure Kelvin is giving a friendly dig..:-) he's been a good friend for a few years now.... Neil |
| Neil Turner |
| >>>which pumped out 232bhp, and looking at the video of the event, the Scoobies just couldn't shake it off. I managed 150mph down the straight and it was still pulling, the owner has seen 169.6mph on the GPS (149mph before chipped<<< Interesting example of defying some laws of physics here! 232bhp will raise the cars original makers claimed 146mph to 158mph. To get that extra 11 odd mph on top from this car requires 282bhp, or one hell of a following wind and downhill assistance! Rog |
| Roger Parker |
| Now ,NOW ROG! |
| Mega |
| I've hear at least one dealer mention to someone that there are some new bodykit bits for the ZR out soon, hope these are the new X-Power accesories. |
| David Harasym |
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