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MG MGA - Coupe door draft rubbers

Has anyone some pictures of the ORIGINAL Coupe door draft rubbers? I put the same request up on the USA (mainly) BBS site, and received some replies with varying results. There appears to be all sorts of guesswork where these rubbers were originally placed. In Clausagers book, there is very little to be seen, but in the final pages where there is a story of a wreck, you can see what appears to be the long rubber with tubular section just hanging off the front of a door. It would appear that the "tongue" of the rubber was glued under the door card. The small triangular piece of rubber would have (maybe) been glued to the top of the door at the front.

Any pictures and assistance greatly appreciated.
Gary Lock

I thought that the door seal sections for roadster and coupe were the same. Certainly Todd Clarke sells the same correct seal for both. Also the pictures in Malcolm Green's book indicate it is the same for the coupe.

I may have a picture somewhere.........................Mike
m.j. moore

hi i will try and add a few photos of my old coupes the white one i believe still had the original rubbers as you can see they were a bit worn i did replace them with todd clarkes which were identical and the blue one shows todd clarkes which i did as well and that had the exact same design and i was only the second owner of that car and I knew the full history and the owner who bought it new

G C Pugh

sorry have to do these on separate posts

G C Pugh

and lastly a kind person sent me photos of these pieces on his coupe that I didn't have I.m sure he won't mind me sharing them with you

G C Pugh

lastly the white one with the original rubber

G C Pugh

Couldn't find a photo of TC's seal but here is a sketch of how it fits at the bottom on top of the sill

Don't forget that this type of Furflex relies on the seal being made to the edge of the door. Other (tubular type) non original types rely on the rubber being squashed by the vertical inside face of the door.


m.j. moore

Hi Colin & Mike,

The original coupe specific seals for which Gary (and I) are chasing original photos are the ones in the door hinge area. There don't seem to be any photos of original cars that show this area. The tubular seal with the tail is the part in question - as shown by Colin from another person's car. The position suggested by the picture in Clausager (p 111) is different so we are interested to see the original positioning.

Keep the pictures of this hinge area coming please.

It also makes me ask the question - why weren't these seals added to the roadsters as well?

Mark
M Wellard

Hi Gary, here is another pic

G C Pugh

Looking at the parts manual again, the longer seal is described as Sealing rubber - door hinge pillar so it doesn't appear as though door mounting is correct. The question remains as to how we determine the correct position.

Mark


M Wellard

Hi Mark a bit confused about the part you mean can you show the page ?


Gordon
G C Pugh

have you checked Barney's site

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/coupe/cp118.htm


gordon
G C Pugh

Hi same chap sent me this one which I think shows the piece you mean

G C Pugh

Gordon and MJM...yes the draft rubbers are different to the door seal (furflex). I think that none of the ones shown in the different photo's are correct, apart from the one with the triangular piece that is attached to the top inside of the door.
There must be someone out there with an original application?
Gary Lock

Thanks Gordon,

Barney's page helps a little, the drawing looks as though it is from a service parts list. My parts list doesn't show the seal (AFH4819) in as much detail (1600 version, plate R35), just part of an exploded diagram.

I have the tubular seal, as shown in the picture immediately above and on Barney's page, however in the parts list figure it looks more like a right-angle flap. It would be good to see a picture from an unmolested original if one still exists.

Regards,
Mark

ps sorry for calling you Collin above!!
M Wellard

Hi, My Coupe is very drafty. Where can I buy the seals from please?
s page

Hi it looks like maybe Anglo Parts might have them, parts 73 and 74 I think



https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/group/4305


Gordon
G C Pugh

Hi Gordon, Thanks, but they show no stock. Has anybody used any of Woolies door seals?
s page

I bought both seals from Moss USA...don't know if Moss UK have them.
Gary Lock

Mine came from Anglo as well - the pads are showing 'sufficient' stock but the longer strip is out of stock. You should be able to find elsewhere, I have heard that it was also used on the TR6.
M Wellard

showing on Moss USA only

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29237


not cheap though


Gordon
G C Pugh

My Coupe door seals
Paul

P D Camp

Pal, the photo only shows the standard furflex seals...the subject of this thread is the additional draft seals that appear to be unknown top most.
Gary Lock

Paul

You seem to have a double seal around the area above the bottom of the glass. Reading the other posts it looks as though there should be a wedge shaped foam at the top of the A pillar and a second seal running the height of the outer A pillar

Can the coupe folks tell me if this is correct because my friend who has the coupe I rewired last month is always complaining about having wet carpets after driving in the rain
dominic clancy

Dominic,

If you look at the service parts list for the 1600 or twin cam, page RF (items 33 & 34), you will see the draft rubbers we are discussing.

Mark

M Wellard

Mark

That is why I am confused. I understood the wedge and the second A pillar seal, but Paul?s photo seems to have a second seal at the level of the windscreen pillar as well. His is not a very clear shot, which is why I am asking for him to clarify.
dominic clancy

Dominic,

I suspect there have been various attempts to stop leaks in coupes and the 'wedge' is just one. The car in Pauls' photo doesn't look unmolested (the seats are from a roadster) but it does look nice, all the same. It also has sun visors with the MGY hinges, which is interesting.

Mark
M Wellard

Paul,

What is the purpose of the white knob under the dashboard?

Thanks,
Mark
M Wellard

My Coupe also had wet carpets drivers side after heavy rain, Reading Clausanger I realised there were extra seals but the positioning of same was not very precisely detailed I purchases lengths of rubber from Speedy Seals and fitted long strip as seen in photo to the top door panel also a small piece across the top of the door shut panel and this seems to have solved the problem
The V shaped piece as Shown in Gordons Red car photo looks to be the correct piece
The white Knob was a bodge by the previous owner to give windscreen washers - since removed and replaced with an electric washer kit
Paul
P D Camp

Thanks Paul,
It's interesting that your solution worked. Thanks also for the explanation of the knob - I wondered if it was a radiator blind.

So, we are still looking for a picture of an original seal (AFH 4819) that runs along the door-hinge pillar.

Mark
M Wellard

Mark

I do have a radiator blind fitted, and I copied it from an original I saw on a car at Motobuiqld about 20 years ago. It's based on the guts of one from a Magnette, so it's probably not far off being like an original.

It's very effective at getting coolant temperature to rise when it would otherwise stay static at 50C
dominic clancy

Hi guys does this pic not show the bit you are after, it's a while ago but I'm sure the chap that sent me these photos said the car was original but it was a long time ago

G C Pugh

Hi Gordon,

I don't think that is original, based on the drawing in the service parts list. It is a seal used in TR6 and other later BMC cars so I think it is an adaption. I am happy to be proven wrong.

Mark
M Wellard

Hi Mark, I really can't help to know how original that is, it looks like an after thought at best


cheers Gordon
G C Pugh

Back in the late 70's when restoring a twin cam coupe (reg YDA160) I salvaged the o/s top door draft rubber. This was unusable then and is now extremely fragile. It is original and I recall was fixed to the body not the door frame as Gordon's images of the repro shows.
The attached image does not show all the detail but it is circa 75mm long and 25mm wide the depth varies on each side, the outer edge being triangular whilst the inner edge shows that it bellied out along the mid point by about 10mm to follow the profile of the shell.
The min overall thickness is circa 2.5mm but that does vary as above.
Not sure what help this will be.

Mark

Mark Dollimore

Image No 2

Mark Dollimore

Image No 3

Mark Dollimore

Thanks Mark,
That's great information for the top seal. I don't suppose your car had the remnants of the other draft seal (AFH 4819) that runs along the door-hinge pillar?

Mark
M Wellard

Mark,
You may have realized this since your Dec 10th post but the top right picture on page 111 of Clausager 's book does not show a seal but the piece of piping that is attached to the door cap and runs down the front edge of the door panel. See the picture of mine below and here
https://mgacoupedoorpanelandpiping.shutterfly.com/

As to why coupes had the extra seals and the roadsters didn't, I can only speculate that even with these seals , it would be impossible to get a roadster to be airtight but, in theory, you should be able to get a coupe pretty close to airtight. Just my opinion.

Jim

JL Cheatham

Thanks Jim, I had realised that. I am still searching for details of the seal that runs parallel to the furflex. I have never experienced draft in coupes (even though they did not have the additional seal) so I expect it is more to do with water ingress around the base of the windscreen. Another coupe owner in Australia has also suggested prevention of water leakage is a more likely since his coupe is airtight.

I am still hoping that someone in Sydney is able to inspect the car that is currently for sale after being in storage since 1975. The only pictures I can get so far are attached. Can anyone see an additional seal? See next post for the other side.

M Wellard

Here is an image of the left side.



M Wellard

I spoke with Rob Otero last night about these seals. Rob's red Twin Cam Coupe is one of the cars featured in Clausager's book. He is going to take some pictures of his coupe's seals and send them to me. He also suggested that I ask Todd Clarke about the seals and here is Todd's reply:

"Jim,

Thanks for the message. The best thing for you to do is look at an
illustration from the factory parts manual....which you can probably
find online if you don't have the manual.
The upper moulded seal nests at the top of the front pillar inside the
area where the front fender meets the top front of the door.
The longer pc. glues to side of the front pillar inside of the hinges
...so when you shut the door an additional draft seal is created.

Have a good holiday.

Regards,

Todd"

I'll post the pictures when Rob sends them to me.

Jim
JL Cheatham

Here's a pretty good illustration from a Twin Cam Parts Manual that shows the placement of the long strip a little more clearly than others I've seen.
http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/mga/images3/R14_Door_fittings_Page_2.pdf

Jim
JL Cheatham

Thanks Jim,

I got the same reply from Todd. I also asked Cecelia from SF if she knew anything about the seals and she said none of her coupes had it.

I presume it sits under the Ramsay rubber and folds over it when the door closes?

Mark
M Wellard

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