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MG MGA - MoT Exemption Day Has Arrived
| As from today those of us with pre 1960 vehicles are now MoT exempt: http://fbhvc.co.uk/category/news/ Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| I am off to Portsmouth DVLA office this week with log book in hand. My MGA was registered April 1960 heritage cert says built 19th Dec 1959. So they need to add that date onto log book. Bet its going to be fun!! |
| R Mcknight |
| That's great news, but I'll still be taking mine to my local garage to have it checked from time to time. Last year my MOT test took less then 20 minutes, because so many elements of the modern test don't apply to old vehicles, but I still had to pay the full fee and couldn't drive it away for another half hour, as having logged in to VOSA's system it wouldn't allow the garage to 'complete' the job for 50 minutes (the minimum time allowed for a 'full' test). |
| Robert Sinclair |
| Hi Steve, As far as I'm concerned this is a bad idea and one that Insurance companies will use to bump up premiums, particularly after one of these exempt vehicles has an accident and is found to have faulty component(s). At the end of the day £30-50 for 12 months peace of mind and lower insurance premiums, is fine by me (IMHO of course). I'm happy mine's is registered as a post 60 vehicle. Chris. |
| Chris Bond |
| They stopped safety inspections here almost 30 years ago when they went to the Emission test. As a former state safety inspection station I think it was a good idea. If you care about your car you know if it is safe. No need for the nanny state to interfere. If you want to cheat the system there is always a way. |
| R J Brown |
| Chris I agree with RJ. You are required to keep your car roadworthy and a valid MoT certificate does not obviate you from this responsibility. i.e. Producing a valid certificate after an accident gives you no protection from the law if your vehicle is found to be faulty. I do not see why insurance premiums should go up. Pre-1960 licensed vehicles make up about 0.6% of the approximately 35.2m licensed vehicles in GB in 2010, but they were involved in just 0.03% of road casualties and accidents. So statistically we are are pretty meaningless in the greater picture. Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| Hi Folks Don't get too excited, I have already heard of one insurance company in the UK who will NOT insure any vehicle without a current MOT Maybe others will follow suit Terry |
| Terry Drinkwater |
| Me again There is no 'minimum' time for an MOT test, if a vehicle can be tested properly in 20 minutes then so be it, the average time for a test is approx 40 minutes which includes a petrol or diesel emission test for modern vehicles. Terry |
| Terry Drinkwater |
| There may not be a minimum time as such but when mine was tested last we had have an interesting chat for 10 mins before the tester dare enter the details of my test in the MOT system so there certainly is some timing issue. Paul |
| Paul Dean |
| Can someone clarify one thing. If you take an MOT exempt car for a test, can the garage actually issue a certificate or will the DVLA system reject it? Malcolm |
| Malcolm Asquith |
| Malcolm My understanding is that the MoT station can still log you onto the system and issue you with pass paperwork. If your car fails the test you will still be required to sort the issues as it is illegal to take an unroadworthy car onto the roads. Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| You can have your car tested every day of the year if you so wish, this also applies to an 'exempt' car. You may have gathered I am an MOT tester. With reference to testers waiting around before logging off, if they are perfectly happy that they have carried out a thorough test then they should log off. The MOT system records each test and tester's performance, you may occasionally get a phone call asking why you fail or pass certain things if you are outside the National average. VOSA can apply serious penalties to testers that fall foul of the law, bearing in mind that MOT rules and laws and are passed by Parliment. Some testers are very aware of this even to the point of being afraid of VOSA, unlike the usual legal system they are judge and jury when things go wrong. Terry |
| Terry Drinkwater |
| Terry Good to hear from you again. It has been a long time. I have frequently seen write-ups of your racing successes. Enjoying it? Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| If you thought this is simple - it is not. I tried to register my 1957 MGA from December online on Nov 16th It refused me with "MOT test certificate could not be found. Sorry, it has not been possible to match the vehicle with a MOT Test Certificate at this time and you are unable to complete your application for a tax disc using this service. If you have a MOT Test Certificate... It appears the vehicle has not yet been updated on the MOT Test Certificate database. You can phone the MOT helpline for information (with permission of the car owner). The telephone number is 0300 123 9000. If you don't have a valid MOT Test Certificate... A MOT Test Certificate must be obtained before applying for a tax disc. This application has been cancelled" So I tried again today (Being after the due exemption date of Nov 18th and got the same message. I rang a helpful lady at DVLA who said "This is all new! Our system can only deal with it if VOSA have registered your car as exempt. So please ring VOSA on 03001239000" A nice helpful man at VOSA said..."This is all new, I'm not surprised DVLA can't cope with it. ...But let me explain. This is an exemption. You have to opt out. If you don't you still need an MOT. To opt out you have to fill in form V112. (google "form V112" for a pdf version). Fill it in and take it with your renewal form and your V5C which shows year of first registration to a post office and they will issue a registration disc." Oh no they wont because my year of first registration is 1991 when it was re-imported from USA. So how do I prove it is a pre 1960 car??? Lets just remind ourselves why the goverment made this change. The transport minister Mike Pennington said Penning said: “We are committed to cutting out red tape which costs motorists money without providing significant overall benefits.!!!" I suppose the simplest thing to do is get it MOT Tested. David |
| David Marklew |
| Just a further thought... What happens when you take your pre 60's MOT exempt classic on a European tour? Is it legal over there? Chris. |
| Chris Bond |
| A few things, I have been involved in Military vehicles for many years , my WW2 troop carrier has always been MOT exempt as are most Classic goods vehicles and buses. Use in europe, if its legal to use in one member state then it is also legal in all the others. And today went to portsmouth DVLA office with my log book and insurance cert. MGA first registered April 1960 so i took my heritage cert saying built Dec 1959. No questions about build date , tax disc issued there and then with no MOT .. Result |
| R Mcknight |
| Dave M - I been through exactly your process, both before the 18th Nov and today. Eventually I was told on the phone that the only way I can retax my 30th Nov 1959 "A", at this time will; be at the post office. I wasn't informed of the V112 at the time, so thanks for that Dave. I note on the reverse it says:- "Categories of vehicles that are exempt:" and at the bottom of the list at 'O' it states:- Vehicles manufactured or registered before 1st January 1960. That'll do for me - so I'm off in the morning with this form completed, the insurance, V5C and my Heritage Certificate and see what they can make of that lot in our little post office... I'll let you know how I got on. Pete |
| P N Tipping |
| Pete A lot of us will be interested to see how you get on at the Post Office rather than the area DVLC. Should be fun. I can imagine the old biddy behind the counter in her horn rimmed glasses being totally bemused by a Heritage Certificate! Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| I have followed this thread with interest. My MGA is not old enough but I have a frog-eye that is. We will see how Pete gets on tomorrow, but I suspect it will be straight forward and the heritage certificate should not be needed. I see the form V112 asks you to certify the car complies, so I cant see they would also need proof, as if so, there would be no need for the certificate. Having said that, I will probably be having the standard MOT anyway for my own piece of mind. |
| Graham M V |
| My MOT is coming up soon and out of interest I checked with Lancaster if their insurance policy will require MOT's for pre 1960 cars. They say an MOT will be required for insurance purposes only if DVLA require it. |
| J H Cole |
| The Post Office did it for me..! The little lady didn't have horn rimmed glasses either Steve! Basically just the Renewal Form and Insurance were required and I would have needed to sign a form like the V112 which I would have kept. I then showed her my completed V112 (thanks again Dave)and that was fine. I now retain this. The DVLA accepted the post office on-line so that was that and the lady couldn't understand why the DVLA wouldn't accept our on-line applications. As there was no vast queue she also got a quick flash of the Heritage Certificate - as you can guess she was very impressed - not..! So relax and carry on as usual chaps! Pete |
| P N Tipping |
| Pete I will come down to your local Post Office if I have any problems with mine in Fleet in May. Well done. Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| Cheers Steve - you can drop in for a bit of wire wheel balancing too if you like. Pete |
| P N Tipping |
| I'm pleased to say my local village post office has now issued my disc. The nice lady behind the counter was surprised to see my V112 form. She was waiting for her supply! David |
| David Marklew |
| I envy you guys in the UK! Here in Japan, we have a bi-annual inspection to the tune of about £950 plus an annual tax payment of about £330. They really get you here! |
| Tom Baker |
| Tom Every 6 months? Blimey. Sure you did not mean biennial? If they did that over here it would sort our road congestion at a stroke. Everyone would downsize from 2 cars to one. Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| Hi All, for your information - this was posted in today's MGCC MGA register newsletter :- MOT Exemption - pre- 1960 cars. You will no doubt have read much about the Government's decision to exempt pre-1960 cars from the requirement of an MOT test. The Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs (FBHVC) lobbied the Government against this decision, but the clots in Whitehall have gone against all advice. All classic car owners I have spoken to agree that this is a daft decision and that they will continue to have a voluntary MOT carried out. As it turns out, it may not be so voluntary after all. Apparently, Peter Best have stated that any pre-1960 car insured by them must have a valid MOT Certificate. In a matter such as this, where one leads the rest are sure to follow. |
| Cam Cunningham |
| Cam I am not sure they are correct about the FBHVC lobbying against the proposals. What they did lobby for was for there to be a voluntary test made available, something which the the DfT did not want to do. Of interest to ALL vehicle owners with cars over 3 years old is that from 18 November 2012 the motor mileage has now been made a compulsory addition to the MoT data entry. This is to reduce mileage clocking scams. Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
| Another one back from the archives. Just re-taxed my car. Absolutely no problem, just presented the V112 along with the other documents. They did not even want to see my Heritage certificate. My insurance is renewed. I spoke with the broker. No requirement for an MoT certificate despite the relaxation. They just pointed me to the T&Cs and the note that says: "...all policies sold by us are governed by English Law and subject to the jurisdiction of the English courts." Nevertheless, I will be doing the voluntary test in the next 2 weeks for peace of mind. Steve |
| Steve Gyles |
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