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|Hi this one looks like the real deal ?|
|g c pugh|
|It's not a good deal if you can't buy it at any price. Most nice cars with a "reserve" will never sell, because the reserve is set higher than anyone will bid. In other words, the seller is greedy and wants more money than it is worth, so he will keep the car a while longer, no sale.|
Some excellent photos for referencing originality. The seats and trim look too worn for that low mileage. I was also surprised to see the drilled dashpot caps. I thought the H4 went interally drilled by the time of later 1600s.
|Wow - looks very original. Amazing to see that the chassis , battery boxes etc are so rusty - just shows that the factory didn't put that much paint on. No wonder they fell apart after 10 years in British weather. |
I agree with Steve that the driver's seat shows more than 6800 miles of wear - but possible if the driver was small and careful!
|I am not how I feel about this car. What do you do - pay a lot for it (which surely the seller expects) only to have a car that you can say is "original" but to a lot of people (in facgt most) looks like a car that needs restored? If you buy it to drive it, well then, its value quickly goes away. If you restore it, then why not start with one that would sell for a lot less. Too many "what ifs". This seller clearly thinks he has got something - and he does - but at the end of the day in my view, its hype.|
|I think you are right Tom - it's more of a museum piece than a driver. Just looked at my last post - I should have said large and clumsy , not small and careful.|
I did wonder at the time what you meant. Tom's point is very valid.
That Ebay advert must have cost him a lot with all those photos. Every credit to him for being so open and showing so much detail.
|If any one is REALLY serious about buying this car, I would be willing to look at it for them. I am about an hour-15 minutes away from where this car is.|
|crawling back into my hole for another six months|
|g c pugh|
|$27K and still has not met the reserve? I just do not get it from the buyer's standpoint. Seller on the other hand I understand - milking the crap out of this one. Ugly stuff.|
Looks like at least an old repaint. Paint on the door shut faces. I would have to check it over very carefully to see what else looks odd. Should have sold already, IMO over bid.
|R J Brown|
|That is an amazing set of photographs. Is it possible for Barney to get them on his website?|
Thanks for the post. Although it does appear to have been resprayed the car appears to be remarkably original. The VIN plate is facing the correct direction and just above it appears to be an original gas supply line.
It looks like the exhaust and muffer are replacements but other that it is a museum piece. Some great reference pictures, lots of detail that Clausager doesn't show.
|The photos were saved and posted on my web site last week. You just need to know where to look, as it is in the Photos section, not in the Tech section. It was a conspiracy when Mike L (bizcane on the other bbs) loaded it all on a CD, then uploaded it to a server photo page where I could download it more conveniently. I compressed the jpeg's considerably to make for faster downloading of the pictures See here:|
|Well you" Nay Sayers" the car sold for $31.000 which seems to me a good deal for an original car. Sure beats the hell out some over restored car with a bunch of ill fitting after market parts made in who know where. Just my two cents worth. Duncan|
|Well done Barney|
|Hi crawling out of hole again, this one is a little out of my price range, having said that so is a Mars bar at the moment, but quite a well known car I believe|
|g c pugh|
|Lovely car Gordon - but £60k!!|
|Where on earth did they get that price from? Ridiculous.|
|Awesome tool kit. Were the Superslim spanners used in many MGA tool kits? And a late appearance for a KD screw jack? Is the tyre pump a Sutty? I have the original kit for my TF with the same jack and very similar tool roll.|
It is a Shelley LJ225 not a KD. Correct for that chassis plate. Bit difficult to tell from the photo, but it may be the incorrect LJ225, having a reinforcing collar around the handle hole? Someone with better eye sight may be able to tell me otherwise. It has the cranked handle which will please Barney. There is differing opinion about whether it should be a straight bar. Yes, it is a Sutty pump. To be pedantic for a concours car I think the tyre inflater connector is incorrect! Should be a screw on with a Sutty pump of that age.
I said earlier that the price is ridiculous, but I have to admit that it is an amazing car. Only suitable for a concours fanatic. If driven, the value would plummet as discussed above.
|Did anyone notice when bid price passed reserve and the reserve note disappeared? (What was the reserve price)? About 80% of all cars listed with reserve do not sell on the first pass. I'm surprised this one sold (above reserve), but that's because I'm also surprised at the final bid.|
In recent years the "survivor" cars have been gaining in stature, and this one may have just set a new benchmark, selling for nearly as much as a very well restored show car. Now you might expect an upcoming glut of "survivor" car ads in place of the good project car sale ads.
|Hi tool kit on the white car looked quite good a few bits missing the wooden handle screw driver with king dick on the handle, I have two that I could let them have at a vasyly inflated price, the normal spanners were the flat king dick ones but I believe they used super slim as relpacements when the ran out of the others, I aso have a pump brand new like one still in its BMC wrapper strangley it has no makers markings on the foot pieces, the blue car featured in the "original MGA" book|
|g c pugh|
|Barney, if you look at the "Bid History" it appears it was right at the $31,000 selling price.|
|There were only two bidders over $24,500 in the last three days of the auction. Our of sequence bid times indicates pre-programmed max bids were happening. I still don't have a clue where the reserve was set.|
|I was watching it near the end. $30,100 did not meet the reserve, nor did the $30,300. When the bidder hit $30,500 it triggered the pre-set bid that was already at $30,500 (not enough to meet the reserve or it would have been listed when it was initially bid). The next bid was $30,700 which could not have hit the reserve since the same bidder put in $31,000 a few minutes later, hit the reserve and won the auction.|
|Steve, I was referring to the tool kit in the original post, sorry for the confusion.|
My ZB Magnette which i owned from near new in 1959 had superslim spanners in the tool kit. Interesting the part number for the spanners in the Magnette service parts list is the same for those in the MGA tool kit, so they could be interchangeable. I have never seen the superslim spanners in a MGA tool kit , but that is not to say that other markets may have been supplied with the higher quality spanners.
|Thank you John. I am leaning towards the theory that Gordon mentioned about Superslim's being the standby brand. I hear they were reguarly used in Triumphs. Do you recall if your tool roll was the hessian/burlap or the black vinyl-plastic?|
|Looking at the car I'm amazed at how good (narrow, consistent) the shut lines are on the doors, bonnet and boot. Was factory quality that good?|
|On the basis that this is a genuine original car does the absence of the brass ID plate on the inlet manifold with the firing order mean that this was an optional fitment?|
|J H Cole|
|There are a lot of things in the engine compartment that were "tinkered" with over time. Incorrect clamps on heater hose, missing clamps on the 4" air hoses, valve cover repainted (smear on the cover tags), missing firing order plate, fuel hose between carbs changed, and even suspect the wrong carburetors (not dustless type).|
The tool roll in the Magnette was the coated burlap type. I still have it. Very scruffy now . Do you want it?
I have myself wondered about the non-dustproof S.Us
I brought back several sets of MGA carbies from the USA in 1994. They were the non-dustproof type (no drilling in the bell web, and the damper cap drilled and stamped with letter O)
According to the S.U company parts lists for the MGA it appears that all 1600s had the non dustproof type. But why? The different carburretor set numbers gives a clue
as far as i can ascertain all S.Us fitted to the Australian assembled MGAs were the dustproof type.
|John, send me an email please:|
mbmagilton AT msn DOT com
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