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MG MGF Technical - Mintex 1144 or 1166?

Hi all.

I'm still running on the original pads and discs. F is now 39900km. I've been checking and it's time to change brake pads on the front. I've always complained about the F's poor braking performance, but I'm not whiling to spend loads of cash on upgraded discs. So I'm keeping these.

What's the best compromise between stop power and disc wear: 1144 or 1166??

Apart from Mike where can I buy them online?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers, Valter.
Valter

Unfortunately, not a question that I can directly answer personally, as I've not tried either pad material, I use the 1177s.

1144s seem to work very well - Dave has these, as do a number of other contributers here. But prices have recently rocketed, leading to the odd situation where 1177s are actually cheaper.

It may be that 1166s are cheaper than the 1144s too - it'll be worth checking this out before deciding on which to purchase.

1166s seem to be a good pad material too - I know that Andy SF Phillips has used these (albeit on a different disc/caliper arrangement), and he seemed pleased with them...

Which to go for? I'd go for the cheaper of the two; based on the lack of experience between the them, it is impossible to recommend one over the other.

Does Brown and Gammons on line shop sell Mintex pads? I know they are a stockist for EBC products, but not sure about Mintex. Might be worth checking out Valter.
Rob Bell

Valter,

As Rob has mentioned, I have used Mintex 1144s for some time now and have been very happy with them. However, I too have no experience of either the 1177s or the 1166s. In theory the 1177s are harder and will wear your discs faster than the 1144s, but Rob's discs seem to have lasted reasonably well. Rob's advice about going for what you can get hold of at a reasonable price is probably the best bet.

Dave
Dave

Thanks Rob.

I've beem checking MS site and the 1166's are slightly more expensive than the 1144's. So price is not a problem. Yours 1177 eat discs, right? And you need a competition license to buy them, right? For me that is not a problem, but changing discs at the same time you change pads it's not really what I want...


Cheers, Valter.
Valter

1144's are for fast road use, 1166's are more for track use & will wear your disks quicker.
Dot

I'll repeat what I said

"In theory the 1177s are harder and will wear your discs faster than the 1144s, but Rob's discs seem to have lasted reasonably well."

Dave
Dave

Fair point regarding disc wear, guys. My last set of discs lasted for about 1.5-2 years, and about 18,000 miles with the 1177s. Replaced both discs and pads at the same time - but the pads still had meat on them, so appear to last longer than the discs.

By way of comparison, my first set of discs and pads (standard materials) lasted 5 years and 50,000 miles. Both the pads and the discs still had life in them, but I was fed up with their poor performance.

Depends on what you regard as a reasonable rate of wear? Bear in mind too that the first 3 or 4 years, the car saw no track use, so my driving and useage patterns have changed.

"In theory the 1177s are harder and will wear your discs faster than the 1144s, but Rob's discs seem to have lasted reasonably well." - I think, for me, I'd agree with Dave's senitments there.
Rob Bell

I should have added that in Feb 2001 I had new discs and new 1144s and that I have replaced the pads twice and the discs once since. The discs lasted just over 2 years - maybe 20K miles. Track use in that time - maybe 600 miles worth.

So, not much difference to Rob and his 1177s.

Dave
Dave


Disc wear aside for now... be aware that 1166s will take more time to warm up and be effective at stopping - not a problem when you are racing.
The reason why this is not a problem with 1177s is that the 1177s are just so violent that they stop "well" when cold but "very very very well" when hot.

I have experience of standard brakes with the 1177s and HiSpec brakes with the 1155s.
The 1155s are far less effective when cold but as I have bigger callipers and discs then this is not a problem for me.

If it were myself buying them for **standard** callipers I'd go for 1144s or 1177s and avoid the middle ground.

P.
Paul Nothard

Thanks a lot guys you've been all very helpful!

B&G sells the 1177's and MS sells the 1144's and the 1166's.

If I were like Rob I would use the 1177's, but the races I'm in with the F you can't call them races, really. So I think I'm up for the 1144's and I'm expecting improvements.

Cheers, Valter.
Valter

Mmmm. Having your discs 39000 kms, is just more than half of their life (good life, no poor performance "underlife")they've suspected to have.

I've always thought safety investments are THE ONLY investments really justified for!!!!

So, why don't you spend your money wisely and buy not only better padas, also better discs (280-285 ones?)?

The best improvement in a brake system is the bigger diameter of the disc, and they AREN'T very expensive!

Just only discs and pads, they aren't very expensive, and probably you stimate your life in much more than the money they worth!!!!!!!!
Spinder00

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