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MG MGF Technical - windstop

hi

first question: do all windstops block not all air at upper head level? using my mike satur windbreak screen I have a continuos wind in the center of the car (it touch the "non driver" side head of mine). I'm very hungry for this, it causes head ache!! even if in very hot days.


so,
I would know the features about newton commercial windstop.

can you help me? I want to self-make a windstop. I'm thinking to imitate the newton commercial one. I don't want to buy one because I want to make it in glass. (I bought mike satur windbreak screen but it is too low, I need some others cm)

I have to know dimension and instruction to fit it. So I can make my windstop.
I think that for dimension it should be ok a picture too. I can measure it and make the proportions to understand how large/high is.

I want to create brakets to fix a glass bulkhead. I don't know if my mike satur windbreak screen should be used to make the new windstop or not.


cnerone

do all windstops block not all air at upper head level?

I have the Newton/B&G windstop and with the stop up and both side windows up it is about the same as a saloon car with a sunroof. I am very happy with the windstop but usually put it down when my wife is not in the car.
John Ponting

Its all down to the height of the windstop and the distance between it and the back of the headrests.

I shall explain.

The hood, when raised, determines the maximum height of the windstop, because the rear of the hood slopes, the further back the windstop is mounted, the lower it has to be to avoid it fouling the hood.

Given that the higher the windstop is, the more air it will deflect, the ideal therefore is to have it mounted as far forwards on the T-Bar as possible, this means it can be higher without fouling the hood.

Mike's windstop is designed to be compatible with his Boxer bars, this means that it has to fit behind them and as the bars sit roughly in the middle of the T-Bar, the windstop necessarily has to be mounted further back - this impacts on the maximum height of the screen and therefore it's effectiveness.

cnerone,

If you want to increase the height of your windstop, you also need to move it forwards, towards the headrests, otherwise you will have problems with the hood. I suspect that this means you will not be able to re-use the MS mounting bracket, unless you change the angle of the windstop screen - this may present a dazzle hazard to other drivers (reflecting the sun).

SF
Scarlet Fever

have nobody taller glass than standard MS windscreen? I wrote an email to MS asking for a taller glass. I've seen there are some MS windstop taller than standard one. MS say it may interfear with hood and rear screen.
I ask you for this question:
can I fall down windstop and (over it) the soft-top? or I've to avoid this because the hood weight can break windstop glass?
I think falling down windbreak is not a problem because I need only few (2-3) centimeter and I'm going to draw a glass desing taller but little in the upper side (similar to MGR or NC ones) and I can unzip rear screen and put "out" this to create windbreak needed space.
cnerone

Cnerone......... A simple answer in your case would be to buy a hardtop and keep it fitted constantly. You buy an open top sports car. What do you expect ? You will ALWAYS have wind regardless of what windstop you fit.
Max Headroom

cnerone, have you thought about the seat lowering kit?Could be easier and cheaper to go that route, if it is just a matter of a few centimeters.
Erik

>>have nobody taller glass than standard MS windscreen? <<

Short answer to that is no, no one does.

But that shouldn't stop you from making your own windstop out of a suitable sheet of perspex - see Jon's DIY design: http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/jons_windstop.htm
Rob Bell

>>Short answer to that is no, no one does.<<

Well altually that's not quite true Rob. There was a tread about the height of Mike's glass windstop when he brought it out at first and how it wasn't as effective as the mesh ones. I think that it was Martin Woods that asked for a slightly taller one and when I got my Boxers fitted I also asked for a taller one. As far as I'm concerned it everybit as good as my old NC one. However, the downside is that it can't be folded down when the hood is up - since it's clear this is no great problem. It can of course be folded back when the hood is down.

You can see the difference at http://www.csmgf.dsl.pipex.com/darkside/windstops/windstops.htm Click on pictures for larger image.
David Clelland

cnerone

As you already have an MS windstop fitted, can you not just use the existing brackets and fixings and make a new taller glass or perspex windstop?

If you do not know how tall you want it, you could make one from hardboard or similar (stick it to the MS blade with gaffer tape or the Italian equivalent). Test drive it then cut a bit off the top and test drive it etc etc until it gets too windy for you. You then need the windstop to be the previous height.

I'm not sure Mike used hardboard and gaffer tape but I'm sure he went through a similar development phase before he went into production.

Are you the same height as Mike? Is anybody happy with the height of the MS windstop. Was Mike ever happy with his windstop?

Several people who have fitted the MS product have said that it is not as efficient as the MGR one but "looks better".

If you make the windstop too tall it will rub on the softtop rear screen and eventually mark it, causing you even more problems.

John Ponting

Well, no one other than Mike markets a glass windstop for the MGF David - so I stand by my answer ;o) LOL

I gather that cnerone has asked Mike for a tall glass windstop.

The trouble with windstops taller than the standard 'Mk2' MG item is that it is not possible to fold the windstop once the hood is up in place - it scratches past the rear window. As Mike's windstop is completely transparant, as you noted David, this is never a problem.

Go for it cnerone - you'll not be disappointed. It's tough too, so the chances of you accidently breaking it are very very small.
Rob Bell

There is at least 1 other company that does glass windstops for the F. It's a German company, there is sadly no picture available on the website.

It also has the drawback that it is not foldable as far as I can tell.

http://cabriowindschott.de/modelle/m_mgf.html

Johan
Johan Slagter

>>There is at least 1 other company that does glass windstops for the F. It's a German company, there is sadly no picture available on the website. <<

Ar$e.

I'll get me coat ;o) ROFL
Rob Bell

And the MGOC do one too, but this is also not as high as the MS one and doesn't fold down. I suppose it could be the same one as mentioned previously, just marketed by the MGOC.

>> http://www.mgocaccessories.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?SS=MGF+windstop&PR=-1&TB=A&SHOP= <<

Pictures.

SF
Scarlet Fever

The Sisa (made in NL) was the first *clear* availiable ... ;)

http://www.cabriodesign.nl/
Didn't know the do it from glass now as well.
The early was from perspex and had a big price.
Dieter K.

HI Dieter
How's life?
Mega
Mega

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