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MG TD TF 1500 - Barn Find TD in Dennis MA
| This was just forwarded to me: *** I have a friend who's husband bought this car before he died. It's been stored for many years - doesn't run - 4 flat tires and is in need of at least a serious cleaning, if not a whole lot more. She recently had the barn/garage fixed and would like to sell it as is. Feel free to give any of your members my name and phone number - if they have any interest in the automobile. Thanks, David Chubet 508-208-0266 *** The car is in Dennis, MA. That's all that I know about it. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| What is it? |
| efh Haskell |
| Is it prewar? PJ |
| Paul161 |
| Subject line says it's a TD. BobbyG |
| Bobby Galvez |
| I always ask that, because I've seen TCs advertised as a TD. So without pictures, or you know who's representing it, nothing is guaranteed. PJ |
| Paul161 |
| Why not just call the guy to get full details? Tim TD12524 |
| TW Burchfield |
| Well said, Tim. Here's the rest of the email: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: 1952 MGTD for sale in Dennis Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 20:43:32 +0000 From: Dave Chubet <dchubet@callahansales.com> To: support@capecodbritishcarclub.org <support@capecodbritishcarclub.org> 'Spose I could have said 1952. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Just discovered that Dave Chubet will be out of the office until next Monday, 8/24. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Reminded me of an old Cheech and Chong routine, "Dave's not here." Tim |
| TW Burchfield |
I've managed to get some more info on the car, including some images. The few that I've seen look to show something well worth getting a better look at. The car shows two NEMGTR member plates #6140 and ? #7438. It's cream/light yellow and has a wire spare wheel. Engine is #25212. Bud
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| Bud Krueger |
| Bud, Looks like those are bolt on wire wheels ? Those are not too common From Charlestown R.I Steve |
| Steve Wincze |
| I think you're right, Steve. I'm told that the set of original wheels is with the car. I may be going down to the Cape next week to see the car. Dave Chubet is out of state right now. There are two NEMGTR member's plates on the firewall, but neither seems to belong to the car. A puzzler. A local guy had a TD with bolt-on wires (looked like they belonged on a '35 Ford). Problem is that they had no hole for adjusting the brakes. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Why two NEMGTR plates? Isn't the number supposed to stay with the car? Or am I thinking of a true register, not a club? |
| Lew3 |
| Colour is original, YL5, Sequoia Cream or Ivory. Sometimes referred to in the States as Old English White. The mudguard (fender) piping looks to be the correct size & is a perfect colour match, which is pretty rare. I've yet to see an Ivory car here in Oz with both the correct piping colour & size. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| Bolt on wires? Borrani comes to mind. |
| Gene Gillam |
| Gene, see the image above. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Peter how do you know the color is correct? Are you talking about the color of the paint or the correct color for the car? This is the first time I've heard of sequoia cream. I ask because I'm thinking of painting my car that color. Tim TD12624 |
| TW Burchfield |
| Just by looking at it Tim. I spent ages trying to find the correct colour to repaint my car 43 years ago & have compared it to about half a dozen supposedly original paint jobs here & I KNOW it's correct. This car looks just like mine. Sequoia Cream was the other name for Ivory & was used on the TC. It & YL5 are mentioned in Malcolm Green's book. I realize that cameras can produce different tones but I believe it & mine are exactly the same original colour. See pic of my old girl. She was originally Ivory but was repainted M.G. Red just before I bought her in 1969. Cheers Peter TD 5801 
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| P Hehir |
| Peter, the Sequoia Cream/Ivory color is much yellower than Old English White. It is more akin to Pale Primrose. Cheers!!! BobbyG |
| Bobby Galvez |
Those are not Borrani wheels but I would like to know what they are:
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| Christopher Couper |
| Peter, I could almost say 'snap' although I have now fitted the firewall and a few other bits. Don TF 4887 'Figaro' 
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| D J Walker |
| Looking good Don. Old English White seems to be a popular colour used in the States on our cars Bobby but I never believed it was correct for either TC's or TD's. However there are those who think it is the same colour, I'm just not one of them. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| This is my 'barn find' TF, sat in an open fronted shed for close to 40 years. The colour is more yellow than my present ivory. Don TF 4887 'Figaro' 
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| D J Walker |
| The barn find looks to be the original Ivory Don. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| Lew, I suspect that the owner collected NEMGTR plates. The Register number is assigned to the car, not to the owner. I hope to know the Car No. by next week. I don't dare try to cross the Canal before Tuesday. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Peter, you are correct about the Old English White not being correct. The color used originally was Ivory. I don't have my Clausager reference handy, but a look in there should confirm this. The later Pale Primrose is closer to Ivory than is Old English White. BobbyG |
| Bobby Galvez |
| OK, correct me if I wrong (my wife always does) but isn't Ivory/cream more yellow than English white? It certainly seems so on my car and the other TDs I've seen. Tim TD12524 |
| TW Burchfield |
| http://www.mg-cars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_finishes.htm#ColorSchemes |
| Christopher Couper |
| Yep Tim. That's what both Bobby & I are saying. Chris's swatches are a pretty good guide also. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| I had a 'Cream TF'. Definitely very close to Don Walker's and Pete Hehir's TFs - more yellow and less white. Don - the chassis in the left of your picture seems to have mechanical brakes. Curious as to what it is? Gord Clark Rockburn, Qué. |
| Gord Clark |
| Gord I'd like a TD with a pretty face ( aka a TF) but my old girl is a 1951 TD. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| Peter, sorry. I misunderstood your comment about English white. Tim |
| TW Burchfield |
| Tim if you have trouble getting an exact swatch of the original Ivory I can send you one as I've had the paint matched in acrylic lacquer & put into spray cans. The humidity is finally dropping here so I'll be spraying again shortly & I can spray some on a white card for you if that helps. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| Gord, the chassis in my photo is of my TC 'special' it has a fibreglass replica body of a pre war K3 Magnette. I understand a chap in Victoria made 5 bodies many years ago. It has standard TC brakes Don TF 4887 'Figaro' |
| D J Walker |
| Peter, that would be most helpful. Or could you email me the paint formula? Please give me your email address and I'll send you my mailing address. I'll be happy to reimburse you for the postage to the US. Thanks Tim |
| TW Burchfield |
| pjbm at bigpond dot com Tim. I found a piece of cardboard with overspray on it from when I painted the sender so I'll post that. Don't worry about the postage. I'm sure you'll probably post something to someone else on this forum at some point. I don't have the formula but could perhaps get it from my paint supplier here in Sydney, however you should be able to get the sample colour matched perfectly in Ohio. Great that there will be one more original Ivory T Type! Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| Not meaning to further hijack this thread but ... Peter this is TD4834 that I resprayed in its original livery. The paint was matched from that found under the welting of the rear wings. Having never seen sunlight or air I believed it to be as near to what Abingdon has laid on the car when new. I had it color matched and even left the original finish in place that was under the welting when I sprayed the body panels in pieces. You can not see a difference in the paint tones. I was also able to find as near a perfect match for the welting without additional dyes or painting of the material. All in all I m very happy with the result. Cheers Bill Chasser jr TD4834 
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| W. A. Chasser Jr |
| It is possible that both of the NEMGTR plates were issued to the car. Although it is supposed to be the car, not the owner who had the register number, It seems to me that years ago you would be issued a new number if the previous owner did not agree to pass the number along to the new owner. I don't know if that has changed or not. I have two different plates because I forgot to pay my dues at one point for a year or so and when I renewed my membership I was given a new register number, which I thought was odd, but I only use the original number, which I got back the next time that I forgot to pay my membership for a period of time. It never seemed like an efficient way to register existing T series cars if that is the purpose. JB |
| JK Barter |
| JB, David Sander would know the specifics, but you are correct about the transfer of Register numbers. The previous owner would have to agree. This car has never been registered with NEMGTR. Please see the newly opened thread. This one has been stolen by white (?) paint. Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Looks just like the original Ivory Bill. Nice job. Bud. Responding to your white paint comment above & on your new thread. As I'm sure you know, M.G. T Types were never originally painted white. They were Ivory (or Sequoia Cream, which is what TC's were painted, same colour, code YL5). Maybe the car on the front cover of Horst's book gave rise to the idea they were once white? Tim paint sample & glove box flocking in the mail on Monday. Again apologies for the hijack Bud. If anyone would like to make further comment on Ivory paint please email me at the address above.. Cheers Peter TD 5801 |
| P Hehir |
| Peter, I just used the term 'white' in its very generic manner. Even the TC's Cream was sometimes referred to as Ivory. The 'T Type Restoration Handbook' of the NEMGTR expresses it well in the TC paint section as ".. Changing around the color names without actually changing the color is fairly common practice in the automotive industry, and M.G. has done it a number of times...". Bud |
| Bud Krueger |
| Peter, thanks very much. Tim |
| TW Burchfield |
| The NEMGTR number does indeed belong to the car. We have been cleaning the database up over the years. In the early years cars were often accidently registered more than once, generating duplicate numbers. Once the database was loaded it computer, this happened far less often. When we find duplicate numbers the practice is to utilize the lowest number and release the duplicate numbers. David |
| D. Sander |
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