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MG TD TF 1500 - Ford gear oil for Type 9 gearbox

Ford gear oil for Type 9 gearbox.

The current* Ford gear oil for "all Ford models with 5-speed Type 9 manual transmission" is –

Ford 75w90 Transmission Oil – 1790199 (1 litre bottle of 75w90 transmission oil).

Ford specification:
ESDM-2C175-A
ESDM-2C186-A
WSD-M2C200-C

Compatible with all Ford models with 5-speed Type 9 manual transmission.

Around £20-£26 ++ in the UK at the moment - *not on the Ford Parts UK website at time of posting this.

For those that have seen enough or get bored more easily with such things stop here, for those that want a bit more detail and history carry on.



Some Type 9 builders insist on semi-synthetic 75W90 fluid to GL4 specification, in particular Ford (red dyed) oil and Comma SX75W-90 GL4, others insist on a GL4.

Both the Ford and Comma oils are to Ford spec Ford (ESD)M-2C175-A, (WSD-M2C200-C).

Going back a good few years Castrol SMX was red, 80W90, semi-synthetic, GL4, M2C-175A, "Recommended primarily for Ford Sierra and Vauxhall 5-speed gearboxes", so was the(?)/an alternative (or perhaps actual?) oil to the stuff in the Ford labelled bottle at the time (and now?).

Later came Castrol SMX-S (75W-85, GL4), "fully" rather than semi-synthetic. - (copy & paste link) - http://www.rgracing-oils.co.uk/TDS/Trans/SMX-S%2075w90.pdf

This was then replaced by Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle at now 75W-90 with Ford spec Ford WSD- M2C200- C (remember this spec is also on the current Ford oil at start of this post).
https://www.castrol.com/en_gb/united-kingdom/home/car-engine-oil-and-fluids/driveline-fluids/manual-transmission-fluids.html#tab_syntrans-multivehicle-75w-90


Personally, in my road going only modestly uprated Midget, I now use Millers CRX 75w90 NT (now NT+), fully synthetic, GL5(!) as Millers' technical people have told me it will not cause harm to yellow metals in the box, I believe them, this is my particular oil belief, obviously you may choose to believe otherwise or not trust this info or Millers, we won't fall out over it. :)

I also use it in my rear axle.
https://www.millersoils-shop.co.uk/nanodrive-crx-75w90-nt-plus-transmission-oil

HTH.





Nigel Atkins

Castrol SMX was red, 80W90, semi-synthetic, GL4, M2C-175A, "Recommended primarily for Ford Sierra and Vauxhall 5-speed gearboxes", so was the(?)/an alternative (or perhaps actual?) oil to the stuff in the Ford labelled bottle at the time (and now?).






Nigel Atkins

Later came Castrol SMX-S (75W-85, GL4), "fully" rather than semi-synthetic.

See attached PDF (ignore file title).
Nigel Atkins

This was then replaced by Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle at now 75W-90 with Ford spec Ford WSD- M2C200- C (remember this spec is also on the current Ford oil at start of this thread).

See attached PDF.

Hope this all helps, cheers.


Nigel Atkins

Genuine Ford Fluid XT-M5-QS Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid - 1 Quart

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71iv%2BWItM-L._AC_SL1500_.jpg
Gene Gillam

Thanks Gene, an alternative for those on the other side of the pond.

Motorcraft XT-M5-QS Full Synthetic Manual Transmission Fluid - https://www.motorcraft.com/us/en_us/home/our-products/lubricants/transmission-fluids/full-synthetic-manual-transmission-fluids.html

PDF also attached (means very little to me)


Nigel Atkins

Home made conversion that will not require the Engine to be moved forward




YS Strom

Improved hardwearing (red) heavy duty saddle that improves the changes and feel of changes over the genuine Ford and aftermarket (black) saddles, and the rattly harsh metal race spec version.

Red heavy duty saddle - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Capri-Sierra-Type-9-Gearbox-Gearstick-Gear-lever-plastic-H-D-Saddle-clip/154209874148?hash=item23e79ff0e4:g:GEQAAOSwlxRfJRN4

Second photo includes a modified Ford T9 gear lever.





Nigel Atkins

Nigel,
Thanks for the link!
Regards
Declan
Declan Burns

Declan,
if you mean the link to the heavy duty red saddle, there's a 'story' behind that product and the modified gear lever.
Nigel Atkins

If anyone runs with the common aftermarket quick shift lever, more to save lever space required for gear changes than quicker shifts then I have a very good and easy improvement for those. Not the raising the lever point one but another that gives more positive fel and change to.
Nigel Atkins

Nigel,
Yes I mean the saddle. I have a white one here in front of me and it doesn't look very strong. I know there are brass ones available but apparently they are not a good fit. I was thinking about making them with a 3D printer in nylon.
Regards
Declan
Declan Burns

Declan,
the red ones are very good, a very firm fit in the box and giving good location to the lever movement.

I have a feeling the red one is made of some sort of fibre, it used to say in the description but I forget the details now.

It won't give the rattle that the metal one might.

I can thoroughly recommend it even though it's price has risen.

I've tried the genuine Ford and other aftermarket black saddles and they all go a bit sloppy in a short time of use, many users wouldn't notice this and that's fine but if they swapped to this red saddle they'd notice a marked difference.
Nigel Atkins

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