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MG TD TF 1500 - removing brake shoe linings

I have about 18 sets of original shoes and want to remove the glued on (non-riveted) linings. What is the fastest way to remove it. Also, does anyone know what the reproduction cores are like? Did someone say they are cast aluminum? Thanks. Scott
SM Scott

Fairly sure the originals were riveted on. I recall the bonded ones started in the 80s? The linings may well be asbestos which can be deadly if inhaled. I don't know any safe DIY way to do it. Suggest trying to find a Utility Trailer or like shop that does linings. George
George Butz

Solvent for brake lining adhesive is Methyl ethyl ketone, long term submersed soak age may be required to remove linings.

Ensure you read this prior to any involvement:

http://www3.epa.gov/airtoxics/hlthef/methylet.html
G Evans

Thanks George & GE for your input. My thinking now is to just remove any linings with rivets and chuck the glued on shoes. I really hate to trash original Lockheed cores !! I see on EBAY that you now buy linings without turning in cores. Anyone know what these Chinese cores are like and the linings. Anyone know what the real differences are? Scott
SM Scott

Don't dump them Scotty. Somebody is bound to want them & would be happy to pay the shipping. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
P Hehir

If marked Lockheed, then they are definitely OEM. I forgot that Moss supplied rebuilt shoes with core exchanges for many years until governmental regulations, insurance problems, etc made it prohibitive. These could have been some of these. Do keep the old cores, as there shops that can safely restore them. George
George Butz

I just put a set of new shoes on the rear of a TF. They look the same as the ones I put on mine 10 years ago. They are steel and they are bonded. The last brake and clutch shop here closed their doors over 30 years ago. They aren't particularly expensive and I haven't heard of any failures.

MG LaVerne

If there are any rivetted shoes, keep them. Some of you may recall my horror story with a Moss "Special" a couple of years ago for glued shoes, that came unglued at a critical moment - (LaVerne - take note)

Have since returned to rivetted shoes without problems.

If the glued shoes have rivet holes, no need to un-glue them. Best to find a shop that can drill and rivet them.

Gord Clark
Rockburn, Qué.
Gord Clark

Hello LaVerne, thanks for your input. Where did you get these? Are these the ones from EBAY/internet and are they made in China or Uk? I've heard a couple of stories about the Chinese made shoes that some are selling and just want to be sure. Down here in the back woods of southern WV, there are a couple of shops that still do brake lining work, mostly for the trucking & mining industries, they probably could reline these. I spent a little time over the weekend working on a couple old glued on linings. I used a sharpened steel putty knife and with a little effort the glue released and the linings come off in 2" sections. I was surprised how tough the glue bonding was even after all these years. Scott
SM Scott

They came from Moss...I didn't look at the country of origin but they are most likely Chinese. I do have some older shoes that came with an axle that was given to me that have riveted shoes that I see no markings on. I really see no difference between the two other than the rivets.

Thanks Gord ...good to know.
MG LaVerne

George - your note peeked my interest & memory, so I just had to check. I replaced the brakes all around on my wife's TF-1500 in 1973 with a set of bonded linings I got from Brown & Gammons. B&G got them from ABS in Warrington England and cost me $13.75 a set of 4 (plus post to USA) I still have the all the paperwork & box. I got a new set last year from Moss (made in China, grrrrrrrrr). The original set I have, circa 1955, measures .125 " ( 1/8" ) on the arch plate & .105 on the lining plate. Only one of the cores has a 'Lockheed' stamp and I know them to be my originals. The Moss set measured .098 on the arch plate and .064 on the lining plate. You could actually 'twist' the steel in your hands, they got sent back to Moss. The set I put on last year also came from England and was spot on to the originals. The lining was Mintex M25FF and for some reason I think that was 'organic', whatever THAT means. Scott - I'd be happy to buy a set (8) of your Lockheed cores I'm sure they are NLA anywhere anymore, you can reach me at the email above. Can anyone share the specs of those being offered on EBAY nowadays, curious minds need to know. TIA Curt
CCV Curt

Scott, I would be interested in purchasing a set of 8 if still availed.

Ed Stanfield
TD/20709

ECS Stanfield

Recently had a very grabby right front brake. Upon examination there was a silicon leak at the slave cylinder caused by a piece of metal flash that somehow got in there and ruined the rubber cup. The silcon saturated the lower shoe and contaminated the upper shoe , both bonded.
I removed the bonded lining with a chisel and the a wood file while wearing a mask. It came off in large chunks requiring little filing afterwards. ( I had a spare set of riveted linings )
Since the holes are already in the bonded shoe backing metal , it was a simple mater to rivet them on.
All is fine now 400 miles later.
Cheers, Keith
K. McKenzie

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