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MG TD TF 1500 - REPRODUCTION VS KIT

Now I understand the difference between a Kit car and a reproduction car.. OMG !!!!!!There should be a law against this !!! Talk about being mindless,,,
Ebay # 222115156817
Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.
This car is a REPRODUCTION constructed of all factory brand new parts, including the engine, transmission, and even the chassis. It has +- 20,000 original miles. This IS NOT a kit car made from another old car.


Steve
Steve Wincze

I would be confused except it is "original British brown & tan"!
Pretty sure that rare colour was only available with this engine!

David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

A fake by any other name is still a fake.
Lew3

I could not resist...I will be interested to see the answer to my question:

Somewhat confused. What does it say on the title this car is? Vin# AZ 55683 does not seem to be an accurate number for a 1952 MG T series automobile, but your ad says it is not a "kit car". Are you saying this is actually a "reproduction" that was built by the MG Automobile Company in 1952?
David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

Why do they try to fool the unwary by distorting the truth, actually lying to make a sale. To me, as we know the truth, but the unwary doesn't, it's on the borderline of a fraudulent advertisement. Let the buyer beware! PJ
Paul161

"borderline of a fraudulent advertisement."

IMHO: Way beyond that!
Unless the title says different.
We will see.

David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427


What a poser. He even has a genuine MG grab handle on the passenger side of the dash. Probably the only thing that is real MG.
James Neel

I asked him if the car was actually titled as a 1952 MG. He replied "please read the add"

Quite a helpful seller, this one.

A search of the Florida DMV for the VIN he lists comes back as "The title or VIN provided does not match any record in our database. Please try again."
Jack Long

Well I got an answer...sort of:
"It is what it says in the add A reproduction"

My reply:
Sorry if I offended you. Your add states the car is a "1952 MG with 20.000 miles" on it.
I did not think it was an unreasonable request to ask what it actually says on the title as far as "year and make".
Good luck with your auction.

I had also put "I hope you sell it to a lawyer" ...but took it off before I sent it.

OBTW: If anybody is in the market for a 1965 Ferrari 250 GTO "reproduction" I have one I'm thinking about listing.
Kind of looks a little like a John Deer lawn tractor but (trust me) it really is a reproduction GTO. In rare Italian racing green no less!

David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

I got the same "read the add" response that you got...maybe I should have read "the ad"?
Gene Gillam

Apprently the home made pos wiring loom running down the inside of the drivers door is an upgrade over the stock Lucas harness. I noticed an MG badge on the spare. There should be a law against such blasphamy!
MG LaVerne

For me this is a KIT car made using MG T panels etc. It sits on a VW chassis and has a standard VW engine and transmission, nothing like a T series MG.

A REPRODUCTION is something that resembles the original, not just from the outside.
Stuart Duncan

Answer to 2nd email:
"title reads MG/td 1952"

How the hell is that even possible?
David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

Probably titled as a 1952 car to avoid any required emission (SMOG) test.
John Quilter

A blurry line between a Reproduction and a Kit. I consider a reproduction as something that is factory built and a kit as some thing that is home built, but that is just my definition.

Here is a link to the various MG TD aftermarket vehicles. Http://www.tdreplica.com/reproduction_mgtd.htm
Bruce TD4139 Cunha

The ebay car looks like "The London Roadster" which was made by a company in Dearborn MI>
Bruce TD4139 Cunha

His definition of reproduction seems to be that the donor parts are new vs building a car on a used chassis. And in principle, since he used all new parts (even if they were not MG...), that statement at least seems to be true.

What I donīt understand about all these replicas is that they go to so little effort to be closer to the original looks. Nearly everyone uses the ugly oval beetle tail lights - it would be so easy to just fit the Lucas originals and change the looks massively.
Similarly on the dashboard. All the proper isntruments are available, so why not use them ??
And why use a fixed engine side panel (TF-like) instead of the TD folding panel ? A little more effort would go a long way here.

In principle, for me thereīs nothing wrong with driving a kit car if one is looking for a bit more comfort and roadworthiness against the original (although Iīd dispute the latter on a beetle chassis...) as long as people donīt claim itīs the real thing. I was looking at a TD 2000 myself at some point, and what stopped me in the first place was all the import hassle (luckily).

And if you look at a Morgan - yes, itīs made by the Morgan factory, but isnīt it also a Kit car that uses Morgan bodywork sitting on drivetrain, engine and various parts belonging to other cars ?

Rgds, Mike
Mike Fritsch

Then there was this last year. Three of the four pictures are of kit cars, the only real MG is the MGA.

D. Sander

Mike,
The only thing I do understand about this is why they didn't use a "TD folding panel".
The shag carpet in the trunk (not bonnet) would get wet!

I certainly do not understand how a rebodied VW (criteria "1985"?) could end up with a title claiming it is a "MG/td 1952".

Vin# AZ 55683? Maybe a big clue as just what this is?

Saved this one in the "watch list" just to see what reserve may be ...but does not seem to be a lot of bidding on it. Interesting to note none of the "questions" are being shared on the listing.
David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

Every part on that rolling pile of parts obviously came from a factory, however, none of those parts came from the same factory MGs came from. I dare say outside of the reproduction bumpers, none of those parts would fit a real MG.
be well,
David
D. Sander

A simple question for him would be..."Who built the car". And again...who the hell was the electrician ?
MG LaVerne

The "opening bid" is more than 4 x's what I would considering buying this for. Can't believe he has a bid on it....but at least you can't make anymore "edits" to description once you have a bid! "By LAW" ???? WTAF!
David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

I have now been the owner of two TF replicas made by Victor Antique Auto (Formerly Great Lakes). This is probably one of the best replicas of any car made. The body panels are molded from an original TF. Fenders, doors, etc will interchange with a "real" TF.
Mechanical components are all MGB. That being said, they are still a replica. Some were kits, About eight were factory finished turnkey cars. The one I am working on now is a factory built car. There have been numerous discussions here and on other boards as to whether they are really MGs or not. I have never tried to pass mine off as "real" TFs, they just are not. However, I consider them to be real MGs.
An imitation with a VW motor in the back, is not a replica, it is just a funny (fun) car that sort of resembles something else.
Bruce

Bruce Clifford

I agree that the Victor "TF-1800" is a real MG since it is basically a rebodied MGB. We had one come to our annual car show for a number of years and it is a lovely car and arguably superior to a "real" TF in many aspects. The dilemma was whether - and how - to classify it for a British car show. This is a"peoples choice" show and is not professionally judged.

For several years the car competed in the T series class but the owners of authentic T series cars were understandably annoyed about competing against a fiberglass car that was 30 years newer than theirs. So, we moved it to the "other MG" class, which annoyed the Victor owner until he won that class. He seemed happy with his first place award but has not come back, so who knows? I am interested in how other clubs have handled Victors.

We do not allow VW based kits to enter since they have effectively zero percent British content.
Jack Long

It is a "reconstructured" 1952 TD. These cars are an important part of the MG plebiscite in the New World, and we have a defined obligation to organize our efforts to recognize the unique contribution such cars can make to our own interests, and thither the legally modified entities therein tither.

I have always yearned for a TD with an early Porsche type powerplant and upgraded brakes weighing in at under 2000 lbs, with a trailer hitch to tow around my personal watersports toys. That is included in this deal? The boat. Right?
S Nott

I have tried to resist ...but I can't. Sorry.
"This car is like a member of the family."

I have never considered selling "a family member" on an Ebay auction.

....and that's all I got to say about that.
David Sheward 55 TF1500 # 7427

I have had my issues with e-Bay items over the years which is why I no longer patronize e-Bay. I feel e-Bay does not police their sellers' ads and must add that it is very difficult for e-Bay to do so.

It is obvious this seller is not dealing honestly. If someone does not answer a direct question with a direct answer, that person is lying,,,period.

It is annoying to put up with people who are knowingly misrepresenting goods and services. Sadly, that's the way it is


Cheers

Gary
79 MGB
gary hansen

I've lodged a complaint with Ebay in the past over sellers who make deliberately misleading statements about goods that are being sold & they do take action. I don't see how a car that was made 30 years later can be described as a 1952 MG TD. Cheers
Peter TD 5801
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