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MG TD TF 1500 - td body number

hello all,
can anyone give me any info on where i could obtain the original body number of my 1953 td2.this is the metal plate normally affixed to the bulkhead and contains the body type and the individual factory body number.
i have just about finished a 2 1/2 restoration of a complete wreck and this plate was missing along with most of the original wood that would have also had the number stamped.any help appreciated. thanks
david heery

David, check out this site http://www.ttalk.info/Tech/BodyPlate.htm Once you have your body number could you let me know what it is? I'm trying to compile a database with as much information on T Series cars, to include owners, modifications and body numbers, etc., as I can.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

David, BTW if you give me your chassis number I'll see if it is in the body number database.

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

tim, my chassis no is 27508....thks
david heery

Tim,
Can you check if my body number is listed?
My chassis no. is TD21284.

Regards
Declan
Declan Burns

David, your body number is not listed but the location, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom, is. If you find your body number let me know what it is. There is another car close to your chassis number that I have the body numbers for. I can tell you if your body number is original or not with some certainty. Declan, none of your cars information is listed except the chassis and engine number and the location, Germany. I'm using an original spread sheet created by Gordon Lawson to enter data on the T Series cars.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

If you check the archives for Gordon Lawson and Body Number you'll learn about Gordon's frustrating search. Gordon found that there is virtually no series correlation between Body numbers and Car numbers. Bud
Bud Krueger

Tim,
Could you give me your email address, please?
John...Sydney
J Walton

Bud, that isn't exactly true. It is possible to determine missing body numbers from the list. The first body number is really a sequence number and those numbers are somewhat related to the chassis number. For example, a series of chassis numbers will be a fixed number away from the first body number i.e. chassis number 26350 is 708 greater than it's first body number. Chassis number 26377 is also 708 greater than its first body number as is chassis number 26388. The difference is not always 708 and does vary sometimes. But the difference does make the database useful. I was able to find the first body number for my car using the database and verify my almost unreadable second body number stamped in the side timber. The more body numbers I accumulate for the database the more accurate I can determine missing ones.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

John. you have email.

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Tim, I didn't know that you'd found such a correlation. The odd thing is your reference to the 'first' body number. It's the 'second' body number that I found stamped into the bottom main side timber.
I see that Lazarus' first number, 10220, is 625 away from the Car No. 10855. Have you found any correlation for the second numbers? Bud
Bud Krueger

Bud, the first body number is not found on the car as far as I have determined except on the Body Number Plate. I'm guessing that MG came up with the first body number for internal record keeping, manufacturing scheduling or some other reason. The second body number was probably stamped by the company that provided the bodies to MG (if indeed they were supplied by other companies). The second body number (stamped in the timber) does follow some sequential order. But it is more random than the first body number. I was able to confirm my partially eroded stamped body number by comparing body numbers for cars above and below my chassis number. That's why I say the more body numbers I can collect the more accurate my predictions for missing numbers will be. I know few people care about body numbers but I'm curious by nature. And I find it surprising that MG took pains to record and affix a plate solely devoted to body numbers. Since the numbers were hand stamped it was a considerable investment in time and materials for something we find unimportant today.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Tim,

For TD3966 with engine 4276:

Body type 22381
Body no. 3493 / 60690

Jasper

Jasper Nederhoed TD3966

Jasper, thank you. I've added your information to the database.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Tim, in case you missed my numbers on the other thread, my TD15250 original engine was 15733 and has Body Type 22381 and Body Number 14610/82170.
Appreciate any info you have on my car.
Mike
Mike I

Mike, got them and entered them. Sorry I didn't confirm your post in the other thread. Could you tell me your exterior and interior colors? Are they original? If not do you know the original colors? I'm trying to find someplace to post the database but the file is too big. Nothing further on your car in the DB. TD15254 is located in Rome, GA if you are interested in cars near your chassis number.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Tim, are you looking for TF numbers too?

Peter
P G Gilvarry

Tim, drop me a line. Might consider handling the file in the manner of the TD & TF lists. Bud
Bud Krueger

Peter, yes I am. As well as TAs and TCs. I took Gordon Lawson old T series list and added several additional data columns. Like TF prefix (i.e. HDC46), current engine number, body type, first and second body number, original color combination, current owner and modifications. I'd like to see it be a valuable resource for current owners but more importantly, future owners. Having said all that if you want to supply any of the above information I'd be happy to put it in the database.

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Bud will do, thanks.

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Originally HDC46, but is now RED.

An Australian car, sold July 22, 55 in Brisbane

Now in Buffalo NY, I have owned since 2001

P G Gilvarry

Current tag

P G Gilvarry

Tim. hello from Norway.My TD nov.1950
TD 4490 has bodytype 22381
body no.3976 63860
orig engine xpagtd 2916. present engine'
xpagtd 4806. first owner 1950 in sunnyvale CA
second owner in san Jose CA.
Regards
Thoralf NORWAY TD4490
Thoralf Sorensen (TD4490)

Peter, the info is entered. Did you notice the discrepancy between the T Register listing for your car and the chassis plate on your car? The former lists HDA26/9503 and the latter lists HDC26/9503. And you list HDC46. What was the original color of the car? do you know the original color of the interior. Is the interior color the same now?

Thanks

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Thoralf, data entered. Did you mix up the current and former engine? The T Register site lists the original engine as 4806. Do you know the original color combination? What is the combination now if different. Thanks for the info.

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Sorry Tim, It was black so HDA was original.

Now licensed as HDC in NY
P G Gilvarry

Tim
My car (TD15250) is Woodland Green with a tan interior. I don't know if its the original color. The engine compartment firewall is the same green and scratches don't show another color underneath.
Mike
Mike I

Hi Tim. You probably have these numbers but in case you haven't. Cheers
Peter

P Hehir

P G thanks. Mike, thank you, info entered. Peter, yes your car is in the database but not the body numbers. Unfortunately I cannot read the body plate in the picture. Could you type them out? Also, could you tell me the original color combination and the current combination if different. Thanks

Tim
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Tim Burchfield


If its any help or use, here are my numbers.

Car # TD/12789 EX/NA
Engine XPAG TD2/LHX13135
Body Type 22381
Body #12161/81888

Actual engine XPAG TD2 16052


Gearbox TJ933

Note: TD 12789 is verified to be stamped on the "Dumb Iron"

Jim B.
JA Benjamin

Thanks Jim, Info added. Very helpful. The gearbox info is the kind of thing that isn't recorded anywhere else to my knowledge. Could you tell me the original color combo and if changed the current combo?

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Yes Tim.

My TD originally was Black with a Beige interior.
I purchased it in 1966. I believe the grill was painted Red. (It was when I got it)
By then the seats had been recovered in Black Vinyl. Every thing else had been painted black. There was also a non-original Black roof with rear side window inserts. (No Side Curtains)
As of now it is MG Red (Mader Red) with black fenders, a (Moss) tan interior, and an engine turned SS dash.
The new top has been purchased but not installed. Its very light tan Mohair Stayfast from the UK by way of LBC.

During the new interior install I found the original Beige interior under the black Vinyl seats.
Removing the chrome fasteners for side curtains and seats showed the same color on the doors and tub.

Jim B.
JA Benjamin

Thank very much Jim. All,information entered. This will be a great resource for future owners.

Regards

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

Tim. You are correct. siorry I mixed up the engine no.s
Thoralf. Norway TD 4490
Thoralf Sorensen (TD4490)

Thanks Thoralf.

Tim
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Tim Burchfield

I hope that you folks who are entering/updating TD/Tf car information are sending the data to the appropriate car list:
TD: http://www.ttalk.info/MersonList.htm
TF: http://www.ttalk.info/PayneTFList.html

Bud
Bud Krueger

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