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MG TD TF 1500 - Vynide used in TF

Just found interesting Vynide stencils on back of original TF upholstery material. So I guess it is Vynide not Rexine used in the TF? Looks like two different Dye lot numbers?

JK Barter

It's possible. Saw this advertisement when I Googled "Vynide".

Roy Challberg

I wonder if the earlier TD upholstery that you could see the weave of the fabric through as it aged was Rexine and then was later changed to Vynide on the later TD's & TF's........
JK Barter

Rexine could well have been oil cloth rather than vinyl coated cloth (Vynide). Oil cloth was made from cloth coated with a linseed oil based compound (similar to old style paint, but more flexible). Pre- war it would have been that or leather.
Dave H
Dave Hill

This web site may shed a little light on the subject:

http://www.john-skinner.co.uk/trim-materials-classic-car/vinyl-leathercloth/
Roy Challberg

I was recently looking at some MG blueprints, and saw one that gave "Rexine or Vynide" as the specification - either must have been acceptable.

Tom Lange
MGT Repair
t lange

They were both made by the same company, from what I have googled, and it looks like Rexine was the earlier product that was likely replaced by the more modern Vynide.
JK Barter

JK
Very cool photos for the historical archive.
Thanks for posting.

Tom
'54 TF
T Norby

JK. If you can send me a high res version of your photo I will add it the TF pages.
Christopher Couper

Well spotted JK.
Here are some samples I have saved. I should probably relabel the Rexine as Vynide.
If anyone has some TF biscuit leather or piping...

Matthew.

M Magilton

Chris,
You have mail.
JB
JK Barter

To continue Dave Hill's thought, I wonder if one could differentiate by saying that Rexine shows the warp and weft of the cloth, and Vynide shows an embossed pattern?

Tom Lange
MGT Repair
t lange

Vinyl coated fabrics were only commercialised during WW2 and after during the 1950s when they really took off. Prior to that and for a brief overlap period such products were oil cloth based. In the 1970s I worked for a Company that made vinyl coated fabrics having previously changed from oil cloth. There is no doubt in my mind that Rexine can only have been oil cloth. Both vinyl coated fabric and oil cloth would have a cloth backing. An analyitcal lab could easily differentiate between them, however a simple test woukd be to burn a small sample - vinyl always gives off acidic fumes containg hydrogen chloride.
Dave H
Dave Hill

I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but my observation has been that unmolested TC and many earlier TD cloth dashes I have seen show fabric (Rexine?), and later TD dashes show a vinyl-like pattern (Vynide?). My generalization may not be sustained by wider observation of un-restored cars. There may well never have been a definite switch-over, but rather an inconsistent supply issue.

Tom Lange
MGT Repair
t lange

Manufacturers changed from one product to the other over a period of time and both products would be available for a while. The emboss pattern was applied using an embossing roller and heat. Some products were also "scumbled" - that is colour was wiped into the grooves made by the embossing roller and wiped away from the flat areas between, enhancing the grain. Standard technique in the leathercloth business.
Dave H
Dave Hill

Matt.,

I had a look at my box of some original TF refine/vynide/leather pieces
yesterday. Unfortunately,I have not got any Biscuit leather. I seem to remember giving you some red/green bits a few years ago.

Surely there is someone in the world that can help you with the Biscuit
colour leather over from an original old seat cover or door pocket piping.

Cheers
Rob Grantham
TF3719("Aramis"),TF9177("Athos").
Rob Grantham

Matt
I did not thoroughly read your post. I did not understand you were looking for a bit of biscuit.

My car, I believe, originally had a biscuit interior.
Originally it had a black exterior.
When I went to recover it, I found the original leather under a set of black plastic seat covers and I found the rest of the (Rexine?) interior was painted black.

This is a 52" TD, ship date was the first week in January.

Unfortunately I have disposed of the leather.
I still have just a bit of the Rexine, which was unpainted under the side cover latch.

I can cut the section out and mail it. You are welcome to it.

However Peter has a bit of the door pocket from my car.
I believe there is some there which was not painted.

In the picture I show the original seat next to a contemporary Moss "TAN".
also the section I do have.

I did wash it a bit.


Jim B.



JA Benjamin

Thank you Rob and Jim,
Looks like the TD biscuit was quite a bit paler than the TF biscuit. Would be happy for any contributions that I do not already have,
mbmagilton AT msn DOT com

Matthew.
M Magilton

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